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Okay first off males only have long ventral fins like this guy
That ventral fine is suppose to be big? I have other female splendens with ventral fins that size as well.

BTW you didn't explain the ovipositor phenomenon in this "male" of mine.
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That ventral fine is suppose to be big? I have other female splendens with ventral fins that size as well.

BTW you didn't explain the ovipositor phenomenon in this "male" of mine.
some males have it some don't there's more don't then the ones that do lol
but like i say to really confirm that hes a male. put ihm in a 1 gal tank and wait till he starts a bubble nest

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Females bubblnest too.The 1 or 2 days before Betty died she built a bubblenest.
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LOL....this is driving me crazy. Too many exceptions to the rules....I have heard of females also blowing bubble nests but now males also having ovipositors????

WTH is this fish!!!?!?!!!!!????!
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LOL....this is driving me crazy. Too many exceptions to the rules....I have heard of females also blowing bubble nests but now males also having ovipositors????

WTH is this fish!!!?!?!!!!!????!
its just the fact the bettas are unpredictable fishes. but i know that your bettas is a male just breed get a female to brred them so you know for sure that hes a male i on the other hand know that hes a male and not a female

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Looks like it to me too.
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LOL....this is driving me crazy. Too many exceptions to the rules....I have heard of females also blowing bubble nests but now males also having ovipositors????

WTH is this fish!!!?!?!!!!!????!
It has a lot to do with environmental pollution, there are quite a few fish species that can change sex or be hermaphroditic depending on hormone exposure at key stages of development. The bubblenesting behavior in females is simply a redundancy evolved over time in case the male dies. This way there's a backup parent to raise the eggs.

I agree with Setsuna, I think you've got a male with some mixed domestic/wild genes. His anal fin is too boxy and his dorsal fin is too big to be pure wild blood, at least compared to my own wild imbellis.

One other reason I believe this fish is a male is because it would be much duller if it had inherited wild genes and been a female. Female splendens complex fish tend to be far less colorful than males. My imbellis females are a drab light brown color, while the males are dark with iridescence and bright red areas.

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What do you mean Enviremental Pollution?
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What do you mean Enviremental Pollution?
I mean runoff from factories, environmental disasters like oil spills, pharmaceuticals that haven't broken down in urine (female hormonal contraceptives, for example, are not broken down), people dumping chemicals into their lawns, the palm oil plantations screwing up natural betta habitats, etc. This all adds up in the water we drink and that bettas live in. There has been a noticeable uptick in fish and amphibian species becoming hermaphroditic or turning into a different sex in waters that are affected by pollution around the world. And some of it is natural. Hermaphroditic traits and mutations occur in nature. Being able to reproduce as either sex is helpful to survival.

Another complicating issue for bettas is that if young males are left together for too long and water isn't changed enough, they emit high concentrations of a hormone that stunts growth. It's possible that this hormone has feminizing qualities that encourage the growth of female features too. Also, temperature changes during development in the egg could cause hermaphroditism.

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Whatever the case may be it seems like I need to get rid of this fish. It is neither a splendens nor a female from what you guys are telling me. And both of these attributes were key...as my tank is a splendens sorority.

Now I'm not sure how to trade this guy back to the store....
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