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post #31 of 39 (permalink) Old 01-31-2011, 10:52 AM
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Emberdragon, you wouldn't use a parasitic treatment for finrot... finrot is either bacterial or fungus infection, so clean water and if needed salt treatment should be more than enough to treat it.

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post #32 of 39 (permalink) Old 01-31-2011, 11:12 AM
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I've tried the hydrogen peroxide trick on one of my friend's bettas who had extreme finrot (she was too scared to do it herself) and within a day or so the betta's fins started to heal... It's a bit nervewracking at first but it's pretty easy... unless, of course, you have a fish that likes to flop around a lot.

But "trimming" betta's fins? Ugh...

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Trimming fins... makes me think of a weird fish groomer cutting shapes into fins for a profit.. *shiver*

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post #34 of 39 (permalink) Old 01-31-2011, 02:27 PM
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Trimming fins is quite common around here. There are "specialists" who trim a week before the fish goes into contest. Never the less I would not do it unless I feel it is necessary - I usually do it to psychotic tail biters to avoid unexpected injuries that may get me unprepared (diseases spread pretty quickly in my tanks). I wouldn't do it to occasional tail biters. Yes, I agree it is cruel and will hurt them. But sometimes it is necessary.
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post #35 of 39 (permalink) Old 01-31-2011, 06:43 PM
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But WOULD it hurt? Or are a fish's fins similar to mammalian hair? It doesn't hurt when you get your hair cut does it? Anyhow, I wouldnt do it unless it's a last resort for a severe case...
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post #36 of 39 (permalink) Old 02-01-2011, 12:37 AM
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I say it would hurt, but that's just my opinion. Does a tailbiting betta feel the pain of biting ones self? Maybe. Does a bird feel the pain when it plucks it's own feathers out? Yes. But there is a reason for these behaviors, with birds it is often stress, bordom and/or neglect, with fish, I think they get bored too, it could also be stress from water conditions or parasitic infestation.
My goldfish was trying to scrape his gills on his gravel, apparently he had gotten parasites of some sort, who's to say that biting a tail is not a bettas way of saying something is wrong.
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post #37 of 39 (permalink) Old 02-01-2011, 11:13 AM
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I've heard that fish have nerves in their rays, just not the webbing in between. So would it hurt? Probably. To what extent, we don't know.

In any case I would be more likely to do a topical peroxide treatment rather than trimming because, as someone else said, you are just making a new opening for infection even closer to the betta's main cirulatory system.
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post #38 of 39 (permalink) Old 02-01-2011, 11:53 AM
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IMO it would definitely hurt them. Their fins are sensitive - bettas are often trained to be vicious by ... tapping (?)... on their tails. They think another betta had nipped them and would turn to bite back.

I don't take them out of the water when I trim psychotic males (to avoid over stressed). I put them in a shallow and narrow container then let them flare. Then I cut (small and sharp scissors - like the ones used for cutting baby's nail) when they pause. If it didn't hurt, they would act the same. But I always find them less active after the cut and return normal the following day (I've only done this about 3 - 4 times throughout my betta keeping life).
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post #39 of 39 (permalink) Old 02-01-2011, 04:28 PM
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Let's all remember now... fish do not have as complex a nervous system as we do. It's not even sure if fish even feel pain and if they do to what extent and if they do feel pain is it the same as the pain we feel or is it a different sensation.

IMO. Trimming is not for the general hobbyist and most people will not have to do it. As someone else mentioned, unless you truly know what your doing it's not worth the risk to try it.

As for how you do it. It's not just taking a rusty pair of scissors and chopping away like your making a colored paper valentine. It has to be done very cleanly and very carefully. You have to first cover the fish leaving only a small portion of the fin exposed. Then a sanitized scalpel or pair of scissors is used to remove the part of the fin you want to get rid of (and yes.. depending on how short the cut is.. there may be a little blood). After the cut is made you need to put the fish into medicated water to heal and prevent infection.

Done correctly it can really help the fins heal quickly and evenly but most hobbyists will not do that correctly if they try.

In my opinion. If your going to trim fins you need to know how to anesthetize fish first and that's very tricky. At least then the fish will be less stressed and less likely to move around during the procedure.

I'm actually considering doing this with Bowie, who has horrid fin rot right now, still not sure if I'm going to do it or let the fins heal on their own. Removing the rot would keep the rest of his fins safe, but then again I don't want to risk infection.

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