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post #11 of 26 (permalink) Old 12-20-2011, 10:53 PM
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I don't understand the "it's just a..." mentality in relation to any animal. I may not like insects (even though "it's just an insect) but I still don't like to kill them unless I absolutely have to. If I do have the kill them, I make it one quick slap out of existence.
I especially don't understand it about fish. I actually get it more about my rats than I do my fish, though. My friends don't understand why I spent more than $1000 on vet bills for them this year. When they were sick, my supervisor at work said, "Why don't you just get a new one?" and many of my friends make jokes about killing them or getting a cat. If I get upset about those jokes, I'm "over sensitive".

So yeah, I totally sympathise with you. I don't understand it at all.

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post #12 of 26 (permalink) Old 12-21-2011, 12:22 AM
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I agree about the "over sensitive" bit they pull on ya. It's a pet. I really want to turn around to someone and be all "how about I smash your lame guitar. it's just a guitar after all." or something they really care for. like, if someone had a dog, said "it's just a fish" I'd turn around and say "you complain your dog whines too much. you should get a new one, it's just a dog after all." But I don't because it comes across as being harsh (well... same medicine they dish out isn't it?)

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I've gotten the "it's just a fish" before from a few people (mostly my father; my mom understands my passion). I shut them up very quickly with my knowledge of fish physiology, biology, and the ecology of my tank. Generally, I save myself from this conversation by not telling anyone about my passion unless they are someone who "gets it." It could be another hobbyist or a diehard animals lover. I'm a very guarded person (somewhat bordering on paranoia, but that's another can of bloodworms).

I know people say that fish "don't interact with you," but they do. They are smarter than people think; they feel pain. Most have a rather inquisitive nature and are always perplexed as to why your hands are in the tank. And express this with a nip or a nibble.

I think another reason people have the mindset of "it's just a fish" is that fish (in general) are some of the only pets that are hunted and harvested for food (and sometimes just to say that you can trick an animal into biting something). Right now, I can't think of any species that are commonly kept that are also either farmed or harvested, but I know close relatives of many are considered food fish. The popularity of fishing may have contributed to this general consensus, too.

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I could go on for hours about jerks who brag on Youtube how they feed their injured and sick betta's to their turtle and then yell at me when I tell them that they're horrible for doing that or someone showing their new HMPK in a video and then they're all like: "NOW UPLOAD HIM FIGHTING!" Again..I wish I could reach through the screen and hit them all with a yaoi paddle some days.
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I got scoffed at for having this site up in a school.

"a site for betta fish. serously? pfft." -as he logs onto pokemon site-
me: "a site. for pokemon that should've stopped years ago. really? pfft."
him: "pokemon is a hobby."
me: "as are fish."
him: ".....true."
me: so this site isn't stupid."
him: "guess not."


argument, backfire, point.


ooo talking about betta fighting. an inexperienced knucklehead decided "hey. bettas. fight. okay!" I believe he thought they were 3 males. It was like... a female and two males, or two females and a male. in a cup. half filled. The one male was terribly sick, he wasn't fighting. the female is a female... a submissive one. and the other one is more or less.... "so......what now?" and considering the boy cares enough of his "just fish" that male betta probably didn't have energy or means to fight either. He got mad, because he was stupid and thought his fish were stupid. (as in fish code, they are mocking him )

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I got scoffed at for having this site up in a school.

"a site for betta fish. serously? pfft." -as he logs onto pokemon site-
me: "a site. for pokemon that should've stopped years ago. really? pfft."
him: "pokemon is a hobby."
me: "as are fish."
him: ".....true."
me: so this site isn't stupid."
him: "guess not."


argument, backfire, point.
Heheheh similiar to many an argument I've had over many a subject that lead to randomness after.

(One over who was better lead to the entire anime club listening to music from Repo)

Over that it reminds me of this effer I dealt with six months ago who wouldn't stop yelling at me for saying exactly as I should when they were fighting betta's and putting it online she even went as far as to try to contact me again three months later. I told her stop messaging me that I will still think she's a dumb idiot who doesn't know anything about empathy (the argument lasted for over a week she wouldn't leave me alone)

Then someone said: "Betta's give birth everyday what's one more?"

..........I yelled at him so bad I'm pretty sure he was too scared to respond.

Especially when I started calling them both every name in the book.

Temper: Snapped.

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i thought my betta died (when in reality she was just messing with me,) and when i was sad my dad came up to me and said it's just a $3 fish whats the big deal? He pulls the same thing every time i ask about possibly buying a heater, i would have given her away to someone who could fully care for her but the only taker was a girl who has a big brother who "feeds" betta to his fish, which means he lets it bite them until they die and flushes the yeah....no way

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i thought my betta died (when in reality she was just messing with me,) and when i was sad my dad came up to me and said it's just a $3 fish whats the big deal?
This is part of the joy of growing up and becoming financially independent. "It's just a 3 dollar fish" "It's just a 20 dollar gecko" "it's just it's just it's just" again and again. Our big grown up gecko died because he did not have vet care--he could have easily lived 10 more years with us, or even many more. But his life was cut short, because of parents who were not willing to spend the money on him because he could be replaced. They wouldn't even pay to have him euthanized.

We never forgot that. They never did either, they know what happened was wrong, if only they had learned sooner.

We grew up, got jobs. Became independent. It happened again--an injured gecko. This time though.. We didn't have to beg and beg to take her to the vet. We took her ourselves and paid for it with our money. And she got BETTER. She's still with us today, and stronger than ever.

You can see that his parents feel guilty though. Every time they see speckle they remember what happened to Bubba. They're learning. I don't think the idea that you could LOVE an animal other than a dog cat or bird even came across their minds. They just didn't even think about it, and accepted what they had always been taught.



It gets better when you get to be on your own. We get to make our own choices. If we have to maybe live on ramen for a few weeks to make sure our animals get vet care when they need it, so be it. If we have to cancel our plan to buy a new playstation 3 because our fish tank cracked, that's our choice. The living things come first. And when we have our own money, we can make those choices. It's awesome.

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:) yep

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I don't know where people get the idea that cost = value in terms of animals. I got my first rats for $10 each. I paid $30 for my next pair, and $20 for my 5th boy. By that logic, I should be willing to spend twice as much on Willoughby as I would on Jekyll or Hyde. As if I could! And suppose someone adopted a stray dog or cat and didn't have to pay anything to do so - would that prevent them paying out for vet bills, even though they'd pay those same bills for a dog that had a $200 adoption fee?
It's not about the money, which makes no sense to many people for whom the world is all about the money.

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