Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Jakarta, Indonesia
I'm not trying to change anyone's beliefs. This is just what I know/experienced/believe. Another Indonesian may explain something totally different. Further please excuse the terms I use since I NEVER talk about this in formal English, thus don't know the right term for them (my bro and I simply call it "mumbo jumbo"). But I'll do my best to be understood.
I believe ALL religion and beliefs are GOOD. And they all have a spiritual aspect in their teachings.
I believe ALL "One God religion" came from the same origin. The later is merely an update of the former (Eg - Christianity and Islam).
There are a number of levels in religion (at least in Islam as I know it).... BTW in Islam, the learning of spirits is also forbidden like in Christians.
A worldly level - the lowest level - only things as we know it. No spirits, nothing. A fanatic (Islam) of this level will condemn anyone who talks about gifts/psychic abilities.
Sorry, I'd better not continue since I'm not sure (forgot) the levels and don't want to mislead anyone. All I can say is that there are about 3 - 5 levels. The highest level can make direct contact with the devine/god.
I'll use the term "gift" for psychic abilities.
There are a few ways of obtaining gifts.
- Inherited from parents/ancestors
- Given by someone who has it - both through a learning process or direct
- Learned - a. by a person who has psychic back ground - b. by someone with no back ground.
*** People with a background often obtain the gift easier than those that don't. But it also depends on the individual's faith.
There are a lot of Gifts, often grouped into bad/evil (black magic, voodoo, martial arts, etc) and good (white gift - healing, reading, etc) IMO it all depends on how it is used.
Every individual has a spiritual guide (?)/protector. But their presence will slowly fade as the person begins to do sin (except for the ones inherited) - as a baby grows. Only through religious praying/chanting will these guides remain noticeable to the individual.
Anyone holding any religion/belief can learn this if they want. If you praise (at least), ask for forgiveness, etc. your creator (say 500 - 1000 times) every night, eventually you will be guided to learn more. Add fasting and or meditating will make the process faster. I'm sure every religion has chants(?).... in my language there is "pray" (sembahyang/sholat) as in the church for Christians and there is "pray" (doa) as in wishing/chanting (eg; I'm going to the temple to sembahyang ...... I "doa" that you succeed)....... the key to learning gifts is faith and our "sacrifice". Not sacrifice life like in the old days. But sacrifice our time, our hunger, etc.
Pray for (not to) .... say a gifted prophet (Solomon's ability to command spirits, Abraham's wisdom, Joseph's ability to understand dreams, or who ever you believe in).... eventually you will be taught the gift. It may take years for some but may also take months for others..... depends on the level of faith and background.
Keep in mind that if you learn from scratch without guidance (whether directly or indirectly through books), what ever gift may come in accordance to your character. You will have to filter what you learn. Eg. A rough character will most probably be approached by spirits offering to teach martial arts. While a gentle character will be approached by healing, reading, etc gifts. ANd as I once experienced, each level of gift will be tested in real life. eg; If you learn martial arts, you will be challenged or face situations where you have to fight. Or if you are trying to control your desire/patience, you will encounter events that will test your patience.
Here, there is a different chant for every gift. And depending from whom you learned from, the process can be unbelievable and dangerous ........ eg - buried alive (the most extreme example).
I believe it is better and safer to earn gifts through our religion/beliefs (whether you have a background and especially if you don't). This will ensure that we are trying to communicate with our creator and hopefully what ever bad spirits will stay away. I believe bad spirits will always try to "sneak in".
For anyone who tries this - try learning/practicing gifts; NEVER allow any spirit, whether good or bad, enter your body. If you do, it may become a .... habit (don't know the word) and any spirit may come in and out as they please. Always keep them around you....
AS a note: I no longer or very seldom practice these gift. Though from time to time I still experience them.