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Neat but I though you were putting a knifefish and some other more exotic fishies in the 90?

so if fancies can do up to 80 temp wise, can they be housed with bettas - or would the betta go after the goldie?
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I wouldn't ever put goldfish with tropicals...they just don't mix.
Not only do they not look very attractive mixed with things like bettas, but just because they can SURVIVE in temps up to 80, who says you SHOULD do that?
Anyway, in most goldfish books, it is explained that goldfish breeds prefer certain water temps in order to grow properly. Often the range is 50-70 degrees.

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yes but Olympia already explained that most fancies need temperatures between 70 and 80

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Well since I'm such a goldfish noob, maybe Koimaiden will be able to explain why fancies shouldn't be kept below 70F. . .

They are around 2" as is.

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so if fancies can do up to 80 temp wise, can they be housed with bettas - or would the betta go after the goldie?
*is curious*
Temp wise, betta and goldfish would do fine. But I have a feeling the betta wouldn't appreciate the flashy colors and might go after the long fins of the goldfish. Not to mention once the goldfish gets big enough the betta will become a sushi dinner. A great article about goldfish and tropicals: Goldfish with tropicals - right or wrong? | Blog | Practical Fishkeeping (It's dinner right now, and I don't have time to type out a long argument).

As for the temperature, according to Fishbase.org goldfish can survive at temps up to 100F (this is probably referring to the single-tail, slim-bodied ones as they are much hardier). As for the temp requirements of fancies that is due to their shortened body shape. Their organs are squished together in odd ways, and this can cause digestion to be slower (as well as other problems). Fish metabolism is dependent on water temp. At lower temps, food isn't pushed through the deformed GI tract of fancy goldfish fast enough and can cause bloating and infection. A similar thing happens with pond fish (koi and goldfish). They shouldn't be feed below 50F as their GI tract won't push the food through fast enough; it will just stay in there and rot. Same thing happens with bettas. If the water isn't warm enough, the food can't be digested properly and will foul in the intestines.

As for goldfish at 80F, an aquatic vet I know who has been keeping goldfish for years and years heats her goldfish tanks to 78F year round. She has noticed no ill effects on them aside from a shorted life span (roughly 6 years as opposed to 10 years) due to their metabolisms being at an elevated rate year-round. I heat my fancy goldfish tank. It's really becoming standard practice now (unless you live in the tropics).

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This argument of warmer vs colder exists with ALL fish, might I add. Any fish will live a shorter life, but grow much faster in warmer water, and a longer life, but grow much slower in cooler waters. This is one of the "no right nor wrong" parts of fish keeping IMO. Some people keep their tanks warmer and others keep them cooler.. Lately the trend has been to cool down your tropical tank and heat up your goldfish tank however.

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Intersting. So is that why people say Oh my betta lived 4 years in a .5 gallon, unheated tank - because of slower metabolism?

I wouldn't put a goldie and a betta together, I was just curious. Well, maybe I would for a little bit - just long enough for my sister to see it in there and start screaming but I don't think I would want to subject my babies to her tank water. (yes, I like to get her going. It gives me much pleasure ).

Olympia - it is annoying when searching for info and all you find is contradictory information. I was looking up bristlenose plecos and TFK says they need 20 gallons for 2, liveaqueria says 40 gallons for one and some other site said 30 gallons. It's like "MAKE UP YOUR DAMN MINDS PEOPLE".

Most of my tanks are between 75-80

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Tank size is also pretty subjective. A pleco isn't a very active fish on one hand, but on the other hand it produces a lot of waste. As long as you can keep your parameters under control it really doesn't make all that much of a difference. Really your plecos are fine Tiki.
Once you get into active fish, then there's a lot more arguing.

Yea, those little unheated .5 gallon cubes have had some very long lived fish, can't lie. Usually these are the people that were told to feed the fish once a week too, so that slows things down even more.

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Once you get into active fish, then there's a lot more arguing.
I have noticed that.

someday I'll venture into something other then bettas and snails, when I live in a basement that can handle 500 pounds or more of water weight.

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I have to say... I squeed insanely inside when I saw Pascal. I've never seen a lionhead goldie before -- he's just... so... CUTE and unassming! D'awww. I can't wait to see how things look when you finish the tank, best of luck with all the fish!

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Fancy goldfish need to be kept at 70-80F actually. Below 70F messes with their digestion and shortens their life span (Koimaiden taught me well!) so at 77F it's pretty perfect.

I actually had no idea! I kept my goldfish at room temp which was around 70-75 degrees...

Your goldfish are sooo cute! I really like the ones without dorsals, they look so chubby and adorable.


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