agreed. for me, depends on the dog. my mom's dog needed to know she WASNT going to walk all over me, and I had to make her submissive (fairly small dog). other dogs, need that negative energy to be released - my friend's dog was pretty misbehaved at my house, so I took charge and he hated that... I had to keep him in one spot while he did his own tantrum
15 minute tantrum!! afterwards he was much better though :/ he came from a home of tension and stress. My dad's dog I've never used the "dominate/sbubmission" thing, I've done the usual "leash" method, similar to.... what'shisname on "At The End Of My Leash" show which is a pretty common practice from what I have seen here.
either way, as long as it 1. does not hurt the dog (for those who think dominating hurts the dog, it doesn't.) 2. the dog listens.
I love hearing discussions of different teaching methods because I think people really do learn from those and kind of get excited at the idea of trying out different methods of training their dogs, especially the ones that have some behavior issue.
I also really appreciate it when pit bull owners speak up to other pit bull owners about training methods because there is a sort of "brotherly credibility" between owners that non-owners like myself can't offer.
In that respect, know this: Bogey was born in 1993. He died right before 9/11 in 2001. In my memory at that time, rottweilers were the most controversial family dog out there (there wasn't controversy about pit bulls; nobody liked them). I was active on my dial-up internet on the AOL rottweiler message boards (feeling so old...) and of course I discussed the situation with my fellow rottweiler owners. Not one single solitary person suggested anything other than euthanasia. Know why? Because everyone was fed completely up with the bad rap rotts were getting, and they wanted those stories about kids getting bitten to end. They accepted they couldn't end the stories unless they could end the bites. They got extraordinarily loud about people ignoring warning signs. Rott owners were not a docile group, and if your dog had shown any aggression to a child and you hadn't euthanized them, you were severely chastised....you were taught better.
Pit owners need to start preaching that "one free bite" doesn't work and admitting that responsible pit ownership is hard because you have to accept that you may have to put down a dog even if he is simply acting according to his own aggressive nature. Pit owners are probably the only ones who can persuade other pit owners. If things don't change, I believe the rest of the world will take it out of their hands. So far, they aren't succeeding at fixing anything, and voters like me are lining up to vote.
Breed clubs need to change the AKC and other standards to deemphasize size and muscle tone and jaw strength and emphasize stable temperament and flawless obedience to commands. They need to support laws banning the advertising that is so commonly seen for pit bulls as "the ideal pit bull is willing to fight to the death to protect his owner's property" Yank their registration license or something. But if the breed clubs don't do it, again, voters will. So far, they aren't succeeding at fixing anything, and voters like me are lining up to vote.
I don't think pit bulls are hated for no reason. I think they're hated because their owners are too eager to defend the dogs. You saw on here where I told a really short story with really only 2 factors: 1. A 4-year-old, and 2. A beloved dog whose owner who sincerely was persuaded he was becoming aggressive. Nobody knew my dog or loved him like I did, but it was the pit bull owners (and those damn pug owners!) who jumped in to defend the dog. That kind of mentality needs to be shot down out loud by every responsible pit owner, like Pitluvs, at every possible occasion.
I know this was a much tenser thread than the "why are my plants dying" thread, but I will say I have appreciated it. Two people said they thought my current dogs were cute, and I now have enough posts to enter the photo of the month contest on the Tropical Fishkeeping side, so I'm leaving it having said my piece and better off. Good luck to everyone with your critters, both wet and dry.
PS: Pitluvs dog Mason's pictures are visible through the letter her sister wrote.