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post #1771 of 1792 (permalink) Old 07-16-2016, 05:31 AM
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Your fish are stunning. And that's some huge IAL!
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post #1772 of 1792 (permalink) Old 07-16-2016, 06:29 AM Thread Starter
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I think it's a bit of an optical illusion, especially as my wilds aren't all that large themselves. Those are sold as 'small' IALs, and the largest is probably around 15cm. The 'large' IALs from the same company are almost too big for my tanks.


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I think if I could only keep one species of wild betta, it would have to be Betta coccina. I just love the colours, attitude, and fins on these fish. The dominant female in my F1 group, is only about half the size of her brother, but you can see she doesn't back down easily.



You can see one of her sisters trying to get out of the way in the top right corner.









Meanwhile, the sibling pair from this group have given me plenty of fry to work with. They are a fairly aggressive pair, and unfortunately, they have the propensity to go for each other's eyes when doing battle. A couple of days ago, I had real concerns that the female was going to be permanently blinded, but thankfully she's healed up fine.

Of course my camera managed to miss all the best shots of this pair, and the two I got aren't great. But the male of this pair epitomises everything I love about wild bettas. Personally, I don't think man can best nature when it comes to creating beautiful things.





Then I tried to get some photos of my Betta hendra male. However, he's guarding a nest of eggs and so he was getting increasingly agitated by my efforts. I did manage one in focus photo, which captured his colour nicely.



In other news, my largest Betta livida juveniles took their first frozen brine shrimp today. It's fascinating how they learn what to eat by watching their parents and each other. I'm also starting to see green spots developing on the sides of the males, so really excited to see how this group grow out, especially considering their endangered status in the wild. Hopefully I get some balanced sex ratios for once!

I don't think it's going to be long now before I move some of the largest juveniles into a separate grow-out. I just need to buy some more plants and IALs.

Finally, still no signs of spawning activity from my Betta persephone pair. I've been flaring them with a mirror as sometimes this seems to strengthen the bond between the pair and encourage courtship/spawning. However, the only one who does any flaring is the female while the male just skulks off to hide. They were looking so beautiful today with their bright blue fins all but glowing in the dark water, it made me miss my previous group. If they don't spawn, my only hope will be that wild bettas somehow find their way back into Australia again and I can import a pair.


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Recently I paired Shiny (F1 Betta uberis male) with a sibling female and moved them into their own tank. Yesterday, I caught them spawning, with the end result being a nest full of eggs. I will say that they were pretty efficient for a virgin pair, and so far Shiny has been doing an exceptional job with the eggs.

I did manage to get a couple photos of the female in breeding dress. However, Shiny refused to come out of the film canister, so there were no photos of him.





This morning I also discovered my F1 pair of Betta sp. api api wrapping. They must have heard that I was going to be putting them up for sale next week. The fry from their first few spawns are doing very well. There's not many, but as they say, quality over quantity.

My F1 Betta coccina male also has a nest full of fry, and my Betta hendra male just bid adieu to his most recent batch.

Meanwhile, I think my youngest F1 Betta sp. api api are mostly/all female. As I'm selling their parents, I now have the next to impossible task of catching every single F1 fish and moving them in with the main group without tearing the tank apart. Unfortunately, this is the downside to keeping wild bettas in heavily planted tanks.



Because I was already down there with my camera, I got a few shots of some of my F1 Betta sp. api api males.







Because I was being sentimental, I was trying to get some nice photos of my original Betta uberis pair. Typical me, all the best photos were out of focus, and my female wouldn't even come out at all. These two are probably the oldest wilds in my fish room (not a difficult achievement at this point in time), and if the eggs from Shiny hatch, they will finally become grandparents.





Otherwise, all my young fish appear to be growing out well. My Betta brownorum pair appear to have made no further attempts to spawn, and I'm just hoping that at least one of their current fry develops the characteristic lateral green spot. I've also decided to put my Betta persephone back into the same tank as it doesn't look like they are ever going to spawn, and it's one less heater I have to be running over the winter.

Finally, I've decided that I'm going to get back into Australian natives when my fish room is set-up. I was going to start keeping/breeding killifish again, but I think I need fish that I don't get as emotionally attached to. Killifish are like wilds in that they have their own unique personalities and you start becoming fond of individuals.


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Got some extremely bad news to share. It looks like several of my larger Betta hendra juveniles have developed white spots on their bodies. No other tanks in my fish room are infected, including those housing young fish, so I don't know what the cause is. At this point I don't know if it's ich or velvet, so I haven't rushed into treating it. If I turn up the temperature and it's velvet, all I'm going to do is make the infection spread more quickly and grow in severity. But on the other hand I don't want to start dosing medications if it's only ich.

If I get another outbreak of velvet, I'll be seriously considering my future with wild bettas. It's just too emotionally and financially draining to go through it all again.

Otherwise, the rest of my fish are doing well. My F2 Betta uberis should be free-swimming in another 12-24 hours, my F1 Betta brownorum are growing out nicely, I am being overrun with F2 Betta coccina, and my F1 Betta livida juveniles are now eagerly taking frozen mosquito larvae and brine shrimp (although some of the smallest definitely bite off more than they can chew).

My sub-adult F1 Betta coccina are making nuisances of themselves. One of the largest, a female, has decided that she wants to rise above her mother in the pecking order so the adults are busy keeping their recalcitrant offspring in line. There's also some torn fins on their adult sisters as I think they've been stirring up their brother again.

I took a few photos of my fish, but then my camera went flat.

First is my wild-caught Betta brownorum female. I can't tell if this pair are spawning in the film canister at the back of the tank as there were what looked like bubbles coming out the top.





This Betta uberis male has been very busy trying to claim Shiny's half of the tank. Unfortunately, he is one of the smaller males in the group.





You can see here how he compares in size to his father. I think even his mother is larger than he is.





Apart from that, I haven't really got a whole lot of news to share from my fish room. I do however, have some dog stories to share.

The other day we visited Nike's breeder's house, as one of her dogs had recently had a litter. There were eleven puppies in total and as they were only a few days old all they did was make noises and wriggle around in the whelping box. But the breeder gave us a couple of girls to hold (which always makes me panic because I feel like I'm going to drop them) and I gave plenty of cuddles to Nike's sister and her mother.

The breeder also has three older puppies from Nike's sister she is running on, and Clio follows them around like a mother hen when we're down at club. At one point she was lying on the ground with all three puppies clambering all over her, and she just had this expression of pure happiness.

And that's about the only redeeming feature of Clio's at the moment. I've come to the conclusion that Clio is hyperactive rather than high-drive, and it's bloody exhausting to live with. Everyone but Clio is capable of settling in the house. In fact right as I type this, she is in the crate sitting next to me screaming to be let out, and she can't have been in there for more than an hour or two.

She simply has no off-switch. It's like this constant cycle where I wear her out (either physically or mentally or both) and then as soon as she wakes up she has to be doing something, and if it's not something productive, it's something destructive. The trouble is that it's very difficult to channel her energy productively. In spite of all my best efforts, she has almost no interest in toys so she won't chase a ball, tug, or run after the flirt pole. By nature, she isn't one of those bouncy enthusiastic types, and I'm finding it increasingly difficult to get her motivated simply by using high-value food rewards. Furthermore, her reactivity means we are limited as to where we can take her and at what times, and several idiot dog owners have made it impossible to walk her around the streets like I do with the others.

I mean I love her, but she is such a handful. She couldn't be a more polar opposite of her dam (she has a very quiet nature) temperament wise.

To top it off, Nike is having a phantom pregnancy, so has been carrying two toys around and crying any time she's left alone. When it comes time to desex the two older girls, Nike is definitely going first!





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What a beautiful German shepherd! We might be getting my dad a dog soon...meaning we are getting me a dog :D

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velvet should be gold spot..
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Nike is beautiful, but I don't know where she was when they were handing out brains.

Nismo, when my wilds have been infected with velvet, I found the dust was more grey than gold, with larger spots on the membranes between the pectoral rays. It also seems to move quickly through a tank, and at this point only a small number of young fish are affected.

I just had a look in with the torch while everyone was eating and I couldn't see any spots. However, this torch isn't as bright as the other, which I seem to have inconveniently misplaced. I will say that my Betta hendra juveniles are growing well. I am surprised at how many there are simply because I almost never saw them when they were smaller.

Can't wait until they are large enough to be sexable, although I find with hendra that a young male can disguise himself as a female for quite some time.

At this point I'm going to hold off on any treatments until more fish are affected, or those fish that are affected start showing worsening symptoms.


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my batch of mac fries caught some white spots and I used copper safe.. maybe you want to try. that was about 2 weeks ago.. just one dose and till now everything is good
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I've had issues with velvet not responding to copper medication, perhaps resistance resulting from the fact I had to use it so frequently in the past. The copper medication I use requires a two week exposure period, and as I ended up with severely deformed Betta brownorum fry from copper exposure before they hatched, I only want to use it as a last option. My pair are almost continuously spawning so there are eggs appearing twice a week or so, as well as very young fry, so at this point I don't want to use medication if I don't have to.

As I can't even find any juveniles with spots on them, I'm just going to wait and see what happens.

In better news, my F1 Betta uberis pair have done a back-to-back spawn. The fry from their first ever spawn went free-swimming yesterday (although a few stragglers were in the film canister this morning) and right now the pair are in the middle of their second spawn. I've got my fingers crossed they throw mostly females as then I can sell some of the F1 males as the testosterone level in that tank could stand to be taken down a notch. What I am most interested in, is whether or not the males will inherit Shiny's thicker looking scaling. He is still the only F1 male in the group to display that trait.

Unfortunately, my camera is flat, so I'll recharge it today and get some photos later this afternoon/evening.


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