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post #1 of 43 (permalink) Old 06-14-2013, 10:12 PM Thread Starter
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Critique my new HM boy please

I have a picture and video of him. He's an 8 ray HM and I was wondering about what you guys think about his fins and colors. When he flares out completely, his dorsal goes straight up and his anal fin points forward. So, please critique my boy, since I'm also thinking about possibly breeding him if I find a good female HM.

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Top line doesn't look to bad, slight curve which is alright.
Fins aren't the cleanest but not terribly messy either.
All fins meet however Caudal is too short/anal too long.
Ventrals don't look like they're split so that's good.
Shorty stubby first rays on his dorsal which is bad.
As color goes he's a super messy tri-band color or Butterfly, either way too messy.

And that's all I have ^_^

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So, maybe get a nice, clean butterfly girl with tall first rays on the dorsal and a shorter anal fin? And maybe try to get some clean cut fins?

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If I were to breed Fall Out, would either of these females be god for him?

Female #1
http://www.aquabid.com/cgi-bin/aucti...shm&1371293233

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If you want to keep the butterfly pattern going then no, neither would be good. The first girl has good form except anal fin is a little long but otherwise fine. He would balance out and make the dorsal be able to touch the caudal.

Then the second girl is all sorts messy colorwise lol but her form is great, fins all touch, nice clean edging! However no butterfly, she would just introduce more marbling and then whatever her other dormant genes bring in.

Both are also Dragons scales so you would end up with fry that have spotty scale coverage like these two here who are sisters:


I personally like the spotty look but I know for showing and other breeding purposes it's not good. If you bred to a full mask there's more of a chance that they will get some better dragon scaling but also half of them will just look like the father anyway

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Yeah, I had a spotted blue/red dragon girl. I loved her coloring and she looked fine to me.





Also, should I go with fins that the second girl had? And what color would you suggest? Should I try to fix the butterflying to make it more clean?

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well what are you trying to breed here? Do you want more butterfly patterns, do you want fins that are all equal and meet? Do you want just a marble line and not care about the fins?

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Well, I want clean fins, but I like the patterns of marbles. I could try to keep the butterfly pattern, but I'm not sure on how clean I'll be able to get it. I've noticed that, around here, the plain bettas are left behind and the marbles are snatched up pretty quickly. I actually have people (and my lfs :P) who wanted me to breed my dragon female. Unfortunately, she died a few days ago. :'(

Anyways, I have a place for the fry to go where they'll find good quality homes. I'm trying to figure out what would be the best approach to breeding a good strain.

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Okay so you'll have to chose lol, marble or butterfly pattern? Most butterfly's carry the marble gene but if you want to exentuate it you'll need to find another clean butterfly female to go with him. Or if you don't care, any marble girl will do. Preferably one with all her fins touching and the anal not longer than the caudal. So in other words you want to extend his caudal so it's not so short.

Also I'd find a female that has 4 or 6 ray's instead of 8, you might end up with Rose tails in which case. That's more for breeding and showing purposes but if they're just being sold to the LFS or people as pets then you can breed a girl with 8 rays but nothing more.

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