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post #1 of 23 (permalink) Old 03-21-2013, 11:30 AM Thread Starter
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I must lack a green thumb...what am I doing wrong?

I lose so many plant and money loss due to this lack of a green thumb. After having fish for 6 months ive lost $300 in plant life....everything from anubias, java ferns, crypts, mint charlie, wysteria, sword....you name it ive killed it.

After my last plant death I decided to try pennywort and mint charlie. Ive heard lots of good things about pennywort growing well and hardy. Ive had them one week and I have leaves falling off left and right and stems turning to mush.

I have eco complete substrate, root tabs in the substrate, and I dose 3x weekly with flourish excell and I have two 6500K bulbs (12 hour timer) in a 10 gallon with a single betta and no snails or tank mates.

I do a 10-20% water change 1x a week.
My Ph is 8.0 (but I read they usually do fine with a higher PH)

Am I underdosing, over dosing? Other thoughts on whats killing them?

I would love to save them!

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I lose so many plant and money loss due to this lack of a green thumb. After having fish for 6 months ive lost $300 in plant life....everything from anubias, java ferns, crypts, mint charlie, wysteria, sword....you name it ive killed it.

After my last plant death I decided to try pennywort and mint charlie. Ive heard lots of good things about pennywort growing well and hardy. Ive had them one week and I have leaves falling off left and right and stems turning to mush.

I have eco complete substrate, root tabs in the substrate, and I dose 3x weekly with flourish excell and I have two 6500K bulbs (12 hour timer) in a 10 gallon with a single betta and no snails or tank mates.

I do a 10-20% water change 1x a week.
My Ph is 8.0 (but I read they usually do fine with a higher PH)

Am I underdosing, over dosing? Other thoughts on whats killing them?

I would love to save them!
Is your tank cycled? That would mean you spent anywhere from 4-8 weeks getting the ammonia up, then nitrite, and eventually Nitrate to where everything is balanced (0 ammonia and nitrite and about 20 nitrate is good for a cycled tank).
Now I'm no expert what so ever in plants BUT I've had them for a little while and all mine are doing fine (in my cycled 5 gallon tank). I just sstarted a 10 gallon tank (cycling it now) and I moved two of the plants from there to my 5 gallon (they weren't looking the greatest) and now they're growing well :) I do absolutely nothing for them. I don't have a light bulb (at least my girls don't like too much light) or do fertilizer. All I do is place them in my gravel tank and see what happens lol

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Thanks for the response Roemgie. I should have added that detail lol, sorry, it is not a cylced tank.

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Thanks for the response Roemgie. I should have added that detail lol, sorry, it is not a cylced tank.
Hey no worries and you're welcome :)

I know personally (for just checking my cycling tank and looking at my cycled one as well) plants do a LOT better when it is cycled. At least the two I transferred over seem to be growing a lot better (and I do absolutely nothing lol)

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you may be over fertilizing. Try going with no fert at all. I can't speak on the eco complete as I have never used it. I have 3 tanks doing great with the Miracle Gro organic soil and sand cap. Never used any fert or CO2 and my tanks are doing great.

As far as cycling goes that shouldn't make a difference. The plants needs ammonia, nitrites, and nitrates to grow. The plants should use them quicker then the Bacteria can eat them.

You may also want to change your light period to maybe 10hrs. do you know what wattage the bulbs are? are they florecent (T5, T8, T12) or Incadecent bulbs, or CFL?

Is the PH 8.0 out of the tap? If so maybe use some Reverse Osmosis water. is there any other rocks or decorations in the tank?

Any pics of unhappy plants?
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Ill try and get a photo of it...it looks even worse today, id say 2 more days the entire group will be a gonner. It was 3 bunches worth! The Mint Charlie seems to be doing great so far though, which is weird because from what ive read the pennywort sounded hardier.

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Slow up on the Excel. Easier to do that than to change the substrate (I love eco-complete) or remove the root tabs.

How many root tabs did you put down? How far apart? Some plants don't do well with Excel, and my guess is lots of them won't do well with an overdose of it. I'd stop it altogether for a couple of weeks and see if things bounce back.

Also, wisteria, anubias, ferns, and crypts are going to have little (if any) benefit from root tabs. They feed from the water column. I think pennywort is the same, though I might be wrong about that.

I usually recommend no ferts at all at the beginning of a new tank, unless you have enough experience to know what you'll need. Always best to see how the plants do, and add only the absolute minimum to get results you are happy with.

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hold off on the excel... and let all the stems float....
alot of aquarium plants are grown emmersed and need time to adjust to water. letting them float give them access to better light and more CO2.
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thanks! Great tips. I'll do a water change in the AM and pull them out of the substrate. I only placed two roots tabs in on oppisite sides of the tank.

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Hmm, my tank was not cycled when I added plants. They all generally went through a phase of dying/melting and then regrowth. Like a phoenix.

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