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post #1 of 372 (permalink) Old 10-24-2012, 09:20 AM Thread Starter
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Dragonscale HM Ares and my lovely grizzle/irridescent VT Janey have been placed in the tank with the shock method after being powerfed frozen, fresh, and pellet foods. October 23. Please note Janey does not have fin damage, regrowth does not have color and I could not get a picture clearly of them.

Set up: 10 gallon with 3.5 inches of water heated to 82. Large IAL split in half. Live plants such as marimo ball, java fern, java moss, anubias... One fake plant, along with a hiding spot). Thermometer placed on the side, good distance away from nest. Brand new tank - came with the cardboard along the sides which I kept on to allow privacy I used cardboard and paper towel for the two bare sides, since my female tends to get side tracked

Expectations if the eggs/fry are not eaten: Wide finned veiltails.

Why this route: Allowing my male to gain some experience, as I will be using *hopefully* a halfmoon female after this spawn. People in my area like the larger finned betta - whether veiltail or not. Plus I would like to see how a grizzle/dragon turn out :)

October 23: afternoon
Male and female saw each other right away. She gave chase, he gave chase, she gave chase. Nothing big. He refuses to make a nest. IAL came in right on time today! Added a halved one in.

night: I scoop part of his nest from his other tank into the breeding tank. It works like a charm - his nest has doubled.

October 24: morning
Ares is content wiggling a dance for his lady, the nest has once again doubled. She remains stubborn, and a flaring fighter at that! She has no damage, however he has taken some damage to his caudal. He has been viciously chasing her, beating her up.

night: They swim around together, sometimes he flirts and darts after her, but it remains oddly calm - away from the nest.

October 25: morning
Fed them a small amount today. Male ate, but the female stared at the food and instead of eating, did a slow gentle determined and precise dance as if to entice HIM. I have never seen that before... She has followed him to his nest. Perhaps I get to see them spawn before I have to walk to work in an hour? Perhaps... When I come home I reckon I shall have eggs in the nest!! Or, so I hope for.
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Good luck on the spawn! I will be excited to check back in a few weeks and see how the fry have developed! Looks like an interesting pair. :)

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Well, let's hope Daddy-O is not an egg eater xDD But he seems really diligent for the nest, and very upset when I peek in >.> Hopefully he will be a good one (pray pray pray)

Fry foods: BBS, decap BBS, microworms, all to start.

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Are you sure the female is a VT? Her caudal looks too round to be a VT which is usually sort of oval. Her dorsal is wide, implying she is a DT geno. IMO you should get some nice deltas and round tails.

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Are you sure the female is a VT? Her caudal looks too round to be a VT which is usually sort of oval. Her dorsal is wide, implying she is a DT geno. IMO you should get some nice deltas and round tails.

Good Luck.
Oh shoot, really?! Huh. I have never seen nor had a delta before - I assumed for the slight swoop of her anal fin - which means I got a deal when I bought her well in that case I would expect what you said - round tails and deltas. Cool!!

I'm at work now so I hope when I get home she is hiding and he is guarding!

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I got home, and watched them for a bit. She was not being beaten away, but he did follow her around (which she did not like). She looked thinner but I was unsure. Unfortuantely the draft of me moving the top cover (white plastic) drifted part of the nest away (an unused part mind you) and from another part a tiny egg drifted out, and daddy caught it!

I have removed the female, who only has a minor tear in her caudal. And INDJO I see what you mean about her fins - wish I could change the title now

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So, here is the female after the spawn - floating in another tank in a cup to acclimate (not that she let me acclimate her, she hopped out ) Her colors have literally burst forth during spawning!

I don't want to bother daddy and the nest with pictures, I really am hoping for a good dad LOL
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i agree, her dorsal suggests DT (doubletail, not delta) genetics...the actual tail splitting could be latent in her, or just very barely apparent. likely most of the babies will have her finnage and the dad's coloration, if my understanding isn't off.

So remember, when you're feeling very small and insecure,
How amazingly unlikely is your birth,
And pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space,
'Cause there's bugger-all down here on Earth.

Godric/Eric/Sookie/Frodo/Sam/Vlad/Rasputin/Genghis/Hannibal/TARDIS/
LaVey/Crowley/Dahmer/Ripper/Al/Thor/Skadhi/Freija/Sunna/Mead/Mani/
Loki/Grendel/Gail/Beowulf/Camilla/River/Bathory/Arwen/Lafayette/Deb/Jack Skellington (soon)
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sorry I keep getting DeT and DT mixed up.

I don't quite see the doubletail o.o can you point out where? :) if that is the case... Then my doubletail male and her should have some DT?

The offspring idea you mentioned would be neat. I love his coloring!

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sorry I keep getting DeT and DT mixed up.

I don't quite see the doubletail o.o can you point out where? :) if that is the case... Then my doubletail male and her should have some DT?

The offspring idea you mentioned would be neat. I love his coloring!
she doesn't show it in her tail, the gene might be latent in her. where you can really see it is in her extremely wide dorsal. look at these photos:



see how the dorsal is long and wide, almost a mirror image of the anal? that's a secondary characteristic that's usually present in bettas that bear the doubletail gene, whether their tail splits or not.

So remember, when you're feeling very small and insecure,
How amazingly unlikely is your birth,
And pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space,
'Cause there's bugger-all down here on Earth.

Godric/Eric/Sookie/Frodo/Sam/Vlad/Rasputin/Genghis/Hannibal/TARDIS/
LaVey/Crowley/Dahmer/Ripper/Al/Thor/Skadhi/Freija/Sunna/Mead/Mani/
Loki/Grendel/Gail/Beowulf/Camilla/River/Bathory/Arwen/Lafayette/Deb/Jack Skellington (soon)
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