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post #101 of 212 (permalink) Old 01-17-2013, 09:53 AM
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Can I ask something ?

My fish, he is one year and one month. He's fin rot, and I add medicine. He recovery, and I moved him in the tank. He was fine, and he makes bubble net a lot. After two weeks, he didn't eat, and he always in the bottom of tank. First, I moved him in the hospital tank with salt. The next day, I add Tetracycline. But he didn't eat. After that, he has pine cone, and I change water and add Fungus Clear. The next day, he's gone.
His ski become red, and his skin was broken.

What do you think ?
Was that Micobacteria ?
What medication did you use to treat fin rot? Medications, as a whole, can be very hard on fish due to their small/fragile organs. It's very easy to overdose on the medications which could also cause a lot of health problems.

It seems you have used numerous medications on the fish.. why I am curious as to what you did for the fin rot.

Pineconing happens from all different ailments, normally it happens once internal organs start to fail.. which could of happened due to medications being used.. even using AQ salt for certain problems such as SBD can make things worse and deadly.

He may of had an internal bacteria infection (not what is being discussed), or a bad reaction to the medications being used on him..

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post #102 of 212 (permalink) Old 01-17-2013, 10:51 AM
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The problem with mycobacteria the pictures of it are nasty to look at.

There's only so many blurry, diseased fish I can look at before I call it quits.

Anyway.... take a look at these photos, let me know if anyone feels the highlighted areas are something I should be concerned with.

The betta in this photo is still fine, I've been observing it for over a week now. It's being kept floating in a cup inside a 80 degree tank.

I would estimate this particular betta fish is about 1 year old now.



*Sorry the pictures aren't clearer. But thought I would post them to give everyone a slightly better photo to help prevent a misdiagnosis.

Feel free to save a copy of the photo if you want for future reference.





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Very Helpfu

Thank so much for this information now that I'm getting ready to set up another tank I will definitely keep this in mind. This information needs to be a sticky.
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I am worried that other breeders/farms won't be as careful with their stock and then the fish available to me, the average Joe pet owner/consumer, will have this disease, and then I couldn't hope to see my betta live past a year of age.

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Can I ask something ?

My fish, he is one year and one month. He's fin rot, and I add medicine. He recovery, and I moved him in the tank. He was fine, and he makes bubble net a lot. After two weeks, he didn't eat, and he always in the bottom of tank. First, I moved him in the hospital tank with salt. The next day, I add Tetracycline. But he didn't eat. After that, he has pine cone, and I change water and add Fungus Clear. The next day, he's gone.
His ski become red, and his skin was broken.

What do you think ?
Was that Micobacteria ?
without having opened him up to look for the granulomas there is not way to tell for sure. What you CAN do is get a disinfectant FOR the mycos.. treat everything.. and start fresh watching the health of your new fish. If it was not TB.. you are no further behind. And if it was..you have at least taken the steps to kill it right then and there.

Sorry for the loss..

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There's only so many blurry, diseased fish I can look at before I call it quits.

Anyway.... take a look at these photos, let me know if anyone feels the highlighted areas are something I should be concerned with.

The betta in this photo is still fine, I've been observing it for over a week now. It's being kept floating in a cup inside a 80 degree tank.

I would estimate this particular betta fish is about 1 year old now.



*Sorry the pictures aren't clearer. But thought I would post them to give everyone a slightly better photo to help prevent a misdiagnosis.

Feel free to save a copy of the photo if you want for future reference.





http://imageshack.us/a/img254/8700/j...3notations.jpg
I would be concerned about this fish. Use good bio-security and get a good disinfectant. If he is your only fish.. he may live a while. Depends on how fast it attacks the internal organs and they fail. So if your only fish you can just ride it out and then nuke everything with the proper cleaner once he passes. Get rid of gravel and filter. If you have other fish.. avoid cross contamination as you watch him, if he declines you may want to put him down. And be careful of yourself .. no open cuts in the water. I run my tank water down the drain.. so my drains and the counter get sprayed every night.

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Are you an idiot or do you just choose to be ignorant? I have spelled out more ways than one I have spoken DIRECTLY with those PAID to research this disease IN FISH. Take it for what you will. Attacking me and trying to discredit my information from those MORE EDUCATED than you is not doing anything but making you look rather foolish. You obviously believe in your own importance more than those whose living is researching fish disease. Go supervise your yeast.
lol BB.. Anyone who actually takes the time to read what you say, and who can understand it know you are only repeating what actual experts have told you/warned you. I don't want you to look bad in all of this, as you had done nothing wrong in creating this thread.. Most of the people reading this (who are keeping quiet) are behind you and can see that the ones who have thrown around arguments and make claims like this can be healed in a fish are making themselves look bad.. don't want you to stoop to their level.

This thread wasn't an opinion by one person, this thread isn't about how every fish has it and you have to keep your tank clean to avoid it. This isn't something that can be cured. It's a warning from experts in the proper field about how this is starting to become pretty wide spread, and if people can't see it for what it is, then it's on them to look silly :P But most of us see it the way it is meant.. no one can take away your reputation, BB, and the people who know you, know you are one of the best out there when it comes to caring/breeding for these fish and helps others out at the drop of a dime.

No offense to anyone here in particular, but this is this forum.. not surprising this took off the way it did

Okay, now expect a 100 pictures of sick fish :D

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I'm beginning to think that my tanks have some form of mycobacterium. I have had. Few mysterious death/illnesses. I'll explain one by one....


Guppy ------
Definitely some sort of tuberculosis.... This fish had extreme bloating, and lesions.. It was like this for around two weeks, i then euthanized as it was the most humane thing to do. This escalated slowly.... MAY 2012

Guppy-------
I'm not sure on this one. He got a bit bloated and then all of a sudden died, within two to three days. OCTOBER 2012

Betta --------
He started to bloat really bad, and was on the bottom of the tank for a while. Sakura helped treat with metronidazole, worked like a charm. Came back on Monday night, died Tuesday. OCTOBER 2012 AND JANUARY 2012

Platy -------
On Tuesday night, had raised scales, fin rot, and white bit on her, all of a sudden. Died Wednesday morning. JANUARY 2013


Platy and two guppies were from same store and lived in same tank. I use all the same supplies.

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Anyone want to acknowledge what I said?

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I am worried that other breeders/farms won't be as careful with their stock and then the fish available to me, the average Joe pet owner/consumer, will have this disease, and then I couldn't hope to see my betta live past a year of age.
I don't think there will be an issue with MT or MM, or at least a very large one. Look how fast these bacteria wipe out populations, it wouldn't make sense that they're still breeding and selling them for more than a one time issue (until they realized what's wrong).
Look at it this way, this knowledge has been around for 10-20 years now. If every fish in the store has this then why do they still hit their lifespans of 5+ years for most species? A healthy fish is able to live with M generally just by being kept healthy.
Sure, BB had an MT break out, we can go ahead and assume that it was taken care of and the source is taken care of.
It makes no sense that MT or MM would exist in stores for more than a generation before wiping out all breeding fish, which would cause the company to figure out what happened.
So yea, sure, most fish have M.
But cases of MT or MM still seem uncommon..

Do fish even get MTB? I thought we were mostly talking about MT, not MTB...
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