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Old 05-12-2012, 11:54 PM   #11 
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Your male background is way off.
Pkxdthm
Won't produce pkdt
If your female background is correct
You'll get a few Pk n long fin
Piedbald is just a fancy term for marble
U might get a few or might not
It's up to the fish
How he/ she want to marble out
Piebaldxpiebald can come out with zero piebald
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Old 05-13-2012, 06:28 AM   #12 
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Your male background is way off.
Pkxdthm
Won't produce pkdt

If your female background is correct
You'll get a few Pk n long fin
Piedbald is just a fancy term for marble
U might get a few or might not
It's up to the fish
How he/ she want to marble out
Piebaldxpiebald can come out with zero piebald
Why not?
Although, theoretically long fin is dominant, I always get some short fin when I cross them. I would even get an occasional short fin if I bred a pair of long fins that were from short fin crosses.
IMO the OP will get some short fin, both DT and single tail.

@bbs (OP) - determine which direction you want to go - symmetrical or asymmetrical PK. This determines the shape of anal you want to breed for.

Good luck.
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Old 05-13-2012, 08:43 AM   #13 
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Never got a pkdt from crossing pkxdt

Unless it's Pk(Dt carrier)xdt
Then yes you'll
Get some Dt
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Old 05-13-2012, 10:54 AM   #14 
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Is it just me or is the female larger then the male?
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Old 05-13-2012, 12:09 PM   #15 
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There about the same size
The fin just make the female look larger
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Old 05-13-2012, 01:01 PM   #16 
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Actually piebald is a condition found in most animals on earth, that marble is a fancy term for. However people throw the term marble at all sorts of other multicolor conditions. Most of what they call marble is not piebald.

So Piebald x Marble may not get you either marble or piebald. But piebald x piebald should result in piebalds, the amount depending on if the parents are homozygus or heterozygus. The problem is getting the fish that have the proper condition. Bettas have such varied genetic backgrounds that there are other conditions that present as the same condition, but are the result of some other condition.
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Old 05-13-2012, 04:43 PM   #17 
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Piebald throw marble
Marble throw piebald
Marblexsolid can get a piebald
Piebald is just a solid color with a flesh head
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Piebald is class differently in different breed.
Most piebald is dominant gene
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Old 05-13-2012, 05:18 PM   #19 
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Piebald is a condition where random patches on the skin/fur/scales that have no pigment. It doesn't show up in a specific location, and it can occur in few or many patches of varying size pretty much anywhere on the body.

It is likely completely separate from a "marble" where it's blue with black spots or white spots or something like that. It is lack of color in these patches entirely.

Don't get sucked in with the random names people decide to use to sell their fish. Piebald is a genuine documented condition.

Now, i'm not aware of there being 100% proof that the piebald condition exists in Bettas, but it certainly looks like it does. While most of the likely examples i've seen have the "patch" covering at least some of the head, it's not the only way it can present. I have seen it where the patch/ patches are on the body somewhere and the head is colored.

In the rest of the animal kingdom, piebald is a recessive trait. If it is Pibaldism in bettas, it is most likely also recessive and should not appear in in subsequent generations unless both parents were carriers. Again, bettas have extremely varied genetic backgrounds so many may carry the gene, it's hard to know unless they display the trait.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piebald


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Old 05-13-2012, 06:06 PM   #20 
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It class differently in betta
Marble is a changing gene
Really hard to keep one to stay the same color from 2.5 month -7 month
In budgie/cockatiel that trait is call pied
Dog piebald
In dog one usualy pop up if the mom or dad is a piebald
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