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Old 06-29-2012, 10:38 PM   #11 
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but what about when things say, "whole shrimp meal" for example....what does that mean?
That's weird. TBH, I've never seen that. It kinda counteracts itself... Whole = quality and meal = crap lol idk xP
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Old 06-29-2012, 10:43 PM   #12 
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That's weird. TBH, I've never seen that. It kinda counteracts itself... Whole = quality and meal = crap lol idk xP
I know! It really sounds like an oxymoron! But New Life Spectrum says on it's label that it's first two ingredients are: "Whole antarctic krill meal" and "Whole herring meal".....I don't get it!
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Old 06-29-2012, 10:52 PM   #13 
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Meal doesn't always mean lower quality. Meal just means it's ground up, like flour. Think of corn meal.

The "whole" part just means they use the entire fish without removing the better parts.
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Meal doesn't always mean lower quality. Meal just means it's ground up, like flour. Think of corn meal.

The "whole" part just means they use the entire fish without removing the better parts.
Well Do you know if the first three ingredients are really the most concentrated in omega one? Do they weigh it after its dried?

EDIT: And don't they have to grind it up anyway to put it in pellet form?
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The ingredients are always listed in order of greatest to least. Meal is already dried so it should be dry weight. HOWEVER, I believe that meats (including whole fish) weights include water. (This information comes from reading about dog food.) So omega one's label may be a bit misleading.

My interpretation on the difference between whole fish and whole fish meal is that whole fish meal is preprocessed to have water and some oils removed. According to wikipedia, "Fishmeal is made by either cooking, pressing, drying and grinding of fish or fish waste to which no other matter has been added. It is a solid product from which most of the water is removed and some or all of the oil is removed."

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Old 06-29-2012, 11:24 PM   #16 
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The ingredients are always listed in order of greatest to least. It should be dry weight.

My interpretation on the difference between whole fish and whole fish meal is that whole fish meal can still be processed to have some of the oils removed during processing. According to wikipedia, "Fishmeal is made by either cooking, pressing, drying and grinding of fish or fish waste to which no other matter has been added. It is a solid product from which most of the water is removed and some or all of the oil is removed"
but obviously most of the moisture is gone from the foods with whole fish too...??
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Sorry i've been editing my last post constantly. Take a look again haha.

Edit: This article is about cat food, but had a lot of interesting information.

http://www.truthaboutpetfood.com/art...he-basics.html

Some relevant excerpts:

"Ingredients are listed on a pet food label in order of pre-cooking weight."

"Chicken is obviously chicken meat; Chicken Meal is chicken meat with the moisture removed. Any meat contains a high amount of moisture, up to 70% moisture. Chicken Meal is chicken with the moisture removed and thus provides the dog or cat with more protein nutrition by weight."

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but obviously most of the moisture is gone from the foods with whole fish too...??
Since the ingredients are listed pre-cooking, most of the moisture could be removed post-mixing.

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yeah that's what I was worried about. ARE omega one's ingredients lists misleading?
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Sorry i've been editing my last post constantly. Take a look again haha.

Edit: This article is about cat food, but had a lot of interesting information.

http://www.truthaboutpetfood.com/art...he-basics.html

Some relevant excerpts:

"Ingredients are listed on a pet food label in order of pre-cooking weight."

"Chicken is obviously chicken meat; Chicken Meal is chicken meat with the moisture removed. Any meat contains a high amount of moisture, up to 70% moisture. Chicken Meal is chicken with the moisture removed and thus provides the dog or cat with more protein nutrition by weight."



Since the ingredients are listed pre-cooking, most of the moisture could be removed post-mixing.
So are NLS ingredients, in fact, better even though the food has a lower protein content?

EDIT: okay so if the moisture is removed post-mixing than omega one is better

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Also, since Omega One has a higher protein content but no soybean, does that mean that it is probably dried post-mixing and weighed after it's dried?
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