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Old 07-28-2012, 01:01 PM   #1 
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Fin rot not improving

Housing
What size is your tank? 3 gallons
What temperature is your tank? 80
Does your tank have a filter? yes (Tetra Whisper 10)
Does your tank have an air stone or other type of aeration? No
Is your tank heated? Yes
What tank mates does your betta fish live with? None

Food
What type of food do you feed your betta fish? Hikari Betta Bio-Gold
How often do you feed your betta fish? once a day (4 pellets max) 5-6 days. Fast one or two days a week

Maintenance
How often do you perform a water change? Every other day
What percentage of the water do you change when you perform a water change? Lately about 30%
What type of additives do you add to the water when you perform a water change? API water conditioner, API stress coat, epsom salt

Water Parameters:N/A
Have you tested your water? If so, what are the following parameters? No =(

Ammonia:
Nitrite:
Nitrate:
pH:
Hardness:
Alkalinity:

Symptoms and Treatment
How has your betta fish's appearance changed? Just his fins because of the fin rot
How has your betta fish's behavior changed? He still acts the same. He's always happy to see people.
When did you start noticing the symptoms? A little over a week after I got him.
Have you started treating your fish? If so, how? Yes, I started with the aquarium salt treatment and did it for 1 week. Water changes was 25% one day, then 50% the next, and I even did a 75%. I stopped because I wasn't seeing any improvement and I read on the forum that someone said to leave them be and let them heal on their own. Left him alone for about a week and then decided to use epsom salt. Been doing 1.5tbsp/gal for a few days. Read that you could go up to 3tbsp/gal so that's what I did for yesterdays water change.
Does your fish have any history of being ill? Just the fin rot
How old is your fish (approximately)? No idea. Got him at Petco

I'm doing the best I can to take care of him, I promise! Today, I noticed his caudal fin is no longer smooth along the edge The anal fin some days ago became straight. I don't know what happened. One day, I looked into his tank and the part that was missing from the anal fin was gone except for 2-3 tiny, stringy pieces still connecting and then later on in the day, those pieces were gone. Now it looks like most of that fin is starting to heal though..? Ugh I'm just so frustrated and sad! I've been doing research on how to care for him and whatnot and I feel like no matter what I do, it just isn't working.

Before I started the epsom salt treatment, I cleaned out the whole tank and kept him in clean water with the additives needed. There's no gravel in there because I wanted to make sure his poop was normal, which it is. All that is in the tank is the large silk plant and his little hiding spot. The temperature is always at 80 and I even replaced the filter cartridge. I figured I should replace the cartridge to keep the water nice and clean. So yes, I do need to start over on cycling my tank, but for now, it's just being kept nice and clean so my boy can heal


How he used to be:


How he is now..



Since I have created a thread of my own for my boy, I would love advice and suggestions from anyone I'm starting to feel helpless for him..

How much water conditioner and stress coat should be added to 3 gallons? I read from the smaller bottle of api water conditioner to do 6 drops/gallon, which is what I've been doing. As for stress coat, it says 1ml/2gallons and double the dose to replace the slime coat and to repair damaged skin and fins.

Also, how often should I be changing his water and how much? Should I keep his tank empty of any decor? Any help/suggestions would be greatly appreciated!
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Old 07-28-2012, 01:33 PM   #2 
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epsom salt wont do anything for fin rot, as long as its not getting worse, he will be fine, i would do 50% water change every day, without taking him out, add as much water condidtioner as it says to on the bottle, and you shouldnt need to double dose the stress coat. dont worry about not seeing improvement, it would take well over a week to notice anything different, and the difference will be very small
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also in the first picture where it says how he used to be, he had fin rot then too, if hes had it for an extended period of time, it will take longer to heal, you shouldnt need to medicate unless he loses more than half of his fins
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sorry for the multiple posts... but you baffled your filter right? i have the same one in one of my 10 gallon tanks and the current was way too strong
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epsom salt wont do anything for fin rot, as long as its not getting worse, he will be fine, i would do 50% water change every day, without taking him out, add as much water condidtioner as it says to on the bottle, and you shouldnt need to double dose the stress coat. dont worry about not seeing improvement, it would take well over a week to notice anything different, and the difference will be very small
He's had fin rot for 3 weeks now I know the epsom salt isn't for treating fin rot, but I can't go back to aq salt since they say not to go past 10-14 days and I don't want it to damage his organ I feel like his fins are just very slowly going away rather than healing..I will do a 50% water change today!
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also in the first picture where it says how he used to be, he had fin rot then too, if hes had it for an extended period of time, it will take longer to heal, you shouldnt need to medicate unless he loses more than half of his fins
Oh if that's fin rot then that makes me feel better to know I didn't cause it

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sorry for the multiple posts... but you baffled your filter right? i have the same one in one of my 10 gallon tanks and the current was way too strong
What do you mean by baffle the filter? I have it set at the lowest level and my betta doesn't seem bothered by it
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salt is salt, the epsom salt will hurt him too, just clean water, if you live in a rural area and have oak trees nearby, you can pick some dried oak leaves off of the ground, winse them off really good, and put them in the tank, they will release tannins that will help him heal (it will also turn the water brown, but this is a good thing)
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a baffle is something that reduces the current, i didnt know you could control the flow on it though... mabye i just have a really old model. if he swims towards the filter does the current push him around at all? if it does than the filter is probably too strong
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salt is salt, the epsom salt will hurt him too, just clean water, if you live in a rural area and have oak trees nearby, you can pick some dried oak leaves off of the ground, winse them off really good, and put them in the tank, they will release tannins that will help him heal (it will also turn the water brown, but this is a good thing)
Oh darn I read in some posts for some threads that epsom is ok to use for long term (not that I was planning to use epsom salt on him for weeks or anything! It's only been a few days). I don't have oak trees around that I know of..I searched on ebay and found this: Amy's 10 Grd A+ INDIAN ALMOND (CATAPPA/KETAPANG) LEAVES | eBay

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a baffle is something that reduces the current, i didnt know you could control the flow on it though... mabye i just have a really old model. if he swims towards the filter does the current push him around at all? if it does than the filter is probably too strong
No, he doesn't get pushed around. He never had a problem swimming all over his tank. He even likes going behind the filter!
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Aquarium salt (sodium chloride) and Epsom salt (magnesium sulfate) are two different salts with some of the same actions and some that are different.

Epsom salt is safe to use long term if needed and it also has antibacterial/fungal properties that can help with fin/scale issues.
Aquarium salt has been known to cause kidney damage with long term use and should be limited to 10-14 days in therapeutic dosages for treatments with this species.

What I would recommend right now-I would QT him in a small bare container that can be floated in his heated tank to maintain temp in the 76-78F range for treatment.

Premix some treatment water in a 1gal jug of dechlorinated water-Add either aquarium salt 2tsp/gal (if its been 5 days since last used) or Epsom salt 2tsp/gal. Add a tannin source either IAL (1lrg crushed/gal) or dried Oak leaf (20crushed/gal) Let this steep for 30min so the tannins can start to release and salt to dissolve. Shake well before use...

Using this premixed treatment water make 25% water changes every 15min for 1 hour today while he is in the small bare QT container.
He needs to stay in this small QT in the premixed treatment water for the duration of the treatment period of 10-14 days

Tomorrow-using the premixed treatment water make daily 50% water changes. If you used a tannin source the water should look darker every day.

Nutrition is really important for the healing process and immune response-If you have access to mosquito larva offer several rinsed several times a day to boost protein intake to promote healing.

Often with the Long heavy fin males-their fin can be really delicate and the water movement from even a low flow filter can be the cause as well as space. The more they use those delicate fin to swim the higher the chances for damage. Also, items in the tank itself especially plastic plants, rough substrate, items that can pinch the fins etc...all can be the cause of damage to the delicate long fin males heavy fins. Once the damage has happened this opens them up to secondary infection-Fin rot.

Sometimes we have to slowly move them to larger tanks with filtration in step. Sometimes this helps and sometimes it doesn't-these abnormal long heavy, delicate fins as beautiful as they are-will never be able to tolerate too much space-especially with water movement.

Once you get the infection cleared up and you start to see some new growth at the tips-usually clear to white in color. Re-acclimate to his tank, however, I would recommend that you re-eval your decorations and remove anything that could possibly be a cause, remove the filter and get on a regular water changes schedule of twice weekly-1-50% and 1-100% to maintain water quality, keep tannin in the water to help toughen fin/scales and improve nutrition by offering a more varied diet fed in small frequent meals.

Remember that often once the fins are damaged they may never return to their full glory.

Lovely fella by the way.....
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