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Old 08-20-2012, 01:21 AM   #21 
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He actually came out of his cave to say hi. He is thinner, but not emanciated. Just not as sturdy looking as he used to be...The whole reason I started this thread was to make sure I knew when to end his suffering, now it seems like I am trying to prolong it. I really don't want to, but I think maybe it's time I get the clove oil...
Sometimes you have done all you can do. If they are losing weight and conditions chances are there is something internal going on. And the TB presents in many different ways. The wasting away and losing condition is only one symptom. Ratty fins you want to treat as fin rot are also a symptom. You also get skin lesions and bloat. If you get a lumps up under the chin that also is a presentation of TB. There are many strains of TB and some move faster and are deadlier. But none are curable. In any case the fish will not be better as there is no cure.. Sometimes the kindest thing is to end the suffering. If he has TB he will waste away. Good chance he may pinecone and bloat. If he get that far he is done. Ending any life never comes easy. But like dogs and cats, we sometimes have to make that decision as the best kindness to an old friend.
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If you do the clove oil put him in a small bowl in water he is used to. I add 1 drop of clove oil to a small amount of water in another container. I have condiment cups. They are about the size of a shot glass. dixi cup would work too. Then add a drop of that to the water and watch him. Give him 5 minutes and add another drop. It may take a bit doing it gradually but in time he will slowly turn sideways. continue to add the clove oil till he appears real sedated. the vodka is used to finish him off because even heavily sedated fish can come back.. clove oil is pretty good about not being over dosable. Either vodka or a ziplock bag and into the freezer. In that state will not notice the cold. Put the zipplock in a walmart bag so you don't have to see him. This is what I do as don't have vodka. the dispose of him in the trash. I don't put sick fish into the toilet as don't want to contaminate a water system and don't want what they may have in the dirt either. I think ziplock bags will hold up till the end of time. At that time what ever is in them hopefully will not be viable.

If you add a drop of the clove oil directly to his container be prepared for some convulsions as it is potent. In time he will list over.. but is kinda freaky to watch and the gills get going fast. I like taking it slower.

Should you have to do this I am sorry about your loss.
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He seems to be less stressed & his color is good still. He's just as active my other fishes, but I was just thinking how ratty his fins had started to look. I think he does have TB, it's just taking a while. I bought clove oil. It's just forcing myself to do it. But Basement Betta, you're absolutely right. Sometimes it is the kinder thing to do. Thank you.
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Thanks everybody! I really appreciate the input! I still haven't decided yet because when I woke up today he seemed to be doing much better. His color is mostly back & he's active as long as I'm not too close to the tank, ate his pellets today & doesn't appear to be in any distress. I'm seriously considering treating him now, but buying clove oil as well just in case. If it is TB, I don't believe it's treatable. However, I have looked into API General Cure for internal/external parasites. I just feel like something is off. I feel that I need to treat with something before I give him up to TB. I've never used it before, so my concern is: will General Cure cause him any distress if I'm wrong?

Edit: Does TB go up & down like this? From what I've read it seems to be a steady decline.
Some meds can slow it down. Thinking kanamyicin and some other drug available to commercial fisheries. Whole idea with the meds is to get a valuable fish healthy enough to breed before destroying as they will never be cured. That was suggested for my friend. They just decided they had enough and didn't want to mess with it. Best if fed internal.

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He seems to be less stressed & his color is good still. He's just as active my other fishes, but I was just thinking how ratty his fins had started to look. I think he does have TB, it's just taking a while. I bought clove oil. It's just forcing myself to do it. But Basement Betta, you're absolutely right. Sometimes it is the kinder thing to do. Thank you.
Well you are ready if things go bad. Keep him seperate and really nuke anything in contact with him. It can take a few months for them to die.. and others die quick. Go figure. If he seems to be doing better keep water conditions perfect and try to get good nutrition into him. Keep temp warm and see how it goes. If TB there will be a down hill slide and you will be ready. But you are giving him a fighting chance.. good luck.
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