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Old 01-04-2013, 05:42 PM   #21 
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6 is the lowest. I think in my first post I said I wasn't sure if it was too low then in my next post found the thread that said the pH can be between 6 and 9. Also, after looking it up, peat swamp pH can get down to 4.

It's interesting how the wild species can adapt to something like that 0.o I don't believe even plants can really live in that.
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Old 01-04-2013, 05:44 PM   #22 
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There are plants there. There are special hardwater plants. I read about a Cichlid that lives in a PH of 10.0
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Old 01-04-2013, 05:47 PM   #23 
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I really don't understand higher pHs much. I should have paid more attention in science. I do know that an acidic pH like 4 doesn't really sound like a lot of fun. I'm sure a few plants and fish could adapt but not many. It's considered an "extreme" environment, kind of like Antarctica :p
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Old 01-04-2013, 05:48 PM   #24 
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Those few plants will really fill out. I have heard the behaver of many wild Bettas. They need thick vegatation and are very shy.
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Old 01-04-2013, 09:47 PM   #25 
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I really don't understand higher pHs much. I should have paid more attention in science. I do know that an acidic pH like 4 doesn't really sound like a lot of fun. I'm sure a few plants and fish could adapt but not many. It's considered an "extreme" environment, kind of like Antarctica :p
The pH scale is similar to the Richter scale used for earthquakes.

It runs from 0-14, where 7 is 'neutral'
--> 0 to 7 is the acidic side.
--> 7-14 is the basic (alkaline) side.

Each number is a ten-fold increase or decrease in acidity. As the numbers get LOWER, the solution is MORE acidic.

So say you have three solutions:
A) pH = 8
B) pH = 7 (neutral)
C) pH = 6

Solution B (pH=7) is 10 times more acidic than solution A (pH=8).

And Solution C (pH=6) is 10 times more acidic than solution B (pH=7). (This also means that solution C is 10x10 times, or 100 times, more acidic than solution A!)

- Pure water (H2O) has a neutral pH (7).
- Household vinegar has a pH of 2.8 (acidic).
- Seawater has an average pH of 7.5 to 8.4 (slightly basic).
- Some bacteria (like Vibrio) can survive a pH of over 10 (very basic/alkaline)!

SOME salts will change the pH of a solution. Others will not. (The explanation for this is chemistry-related, and is based on whether the salt is derived from a strong/weak acid or base.)

So pH is just a measure of how acidic or basic (alkaline) a solution is....

But water hardness and softness is very different from this.....

"Hard water" contains a lot of dissolved minerals (salts), such as calcium and magnesium ions.

"Soft water" has very FEW of these dissolved minerals (salts).

The 'hardness' MAY affect the pH. But it may not -- it depends on what salts are dissolved in the water. For example, adding pure sodium chloride (NaCl) will NOT affect the pH.... But adding SEA salt will raise pH slightly (making it more basic), because it contains different salts that do affect pH.

Clear as mud?

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I dont get this clear as mud?
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Old 01-04-2013, 10:02 PM   #27 
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I just don't understand what alkalinity is, lol. I understand that it goes from 0-14 and 7 is neutral and anything under is acidic. I also understand that pH and hardness sometime correlate but they aren't the same thing and there can be hard water with a low pH and soft water with a high pH. Just don't expect me to define alkalinity for you :p
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I have 7.6 PH and according to an area chart we are mildly alakine. I do keep Guppies. I jus give Carter IAL usually 3 leaves.
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Old 01-04-2013, 10:34 PM   #29 
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My pH is 8. DaBaDees is like 7.8 because of his Epsom salts.
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Old 01-04-2013, 10:45 PM   #30 
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I dont know my tanks real PH. I just know the local water 7.6.
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