this is why veiltails should be classed and shown

[Hadoken Kitty]

Originally Posted by Chard56

Stigmatagone, Ha ha ha! Good one. Speaking of "that" forum I made more friends on there from having a bad rep than the rest of the goody two shoes put together. I think it took me two weeks to go from a zero reputation to a negative 125. Here are some European Veiltail standards. http://www.bettas4all.nl/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=9081

I don't really want to make another account on anything right now...LOL

Is there a way that you can copy/paste?

[Chard56]

@ littlebettafish: That picture is of an awesome DTCTPK with a slightly smaller upper lobe that people were almost fighting over to get. It looks a lot smaller than it was in that picture. By culling that male I would not have had so many other very good looking generations of Bettas from him. Your attitude AND opinion belongs on UB. You know what they say about opinions. Examples of his offspring: First place in his class. This one snapped up on Aquabid. Should have kept this one but sold on Aquabid.

[Hadoken Kitty]

So, I got my girl. I also managed to snatch up another male. Totally wasn't even on purpose, but this gorgeous DTHM male was just there. I couldn't leave without him.

[LittleBettaFish]

I am not saying I hate your fish. I have seen several nice marbles of yours that I would have purchased had I lived in the US.

However, just because you have a market for your fish doesn't mean that every single one is top notch.

I have seen some nice fish bred by you (that green marble HM that was in your display picture for a while) and some not so nice fish bred by you.

I view all my fish very objectively. I think it is an important part of being a breeder. Telling what could have been a potential customer (had I lived in the US) that their opinion is not welcome is something that leaves a very bad taste in one's mouth.

I have never had any issues on UB. Even when I have had opinions that have clashed with other members. I just find it distasteful to air dirty laundry on another forum.

[Phaydra]

Originally Posted by Skyewillow

Didn't think they'd have a standard for a non-existent class.

IBC has a VT class in other countries. It's just in the USA that VT doesn't have a class. So standards are already in place.

[Chard56]

Just because you've not had problems doesn't mean others didn't. Many of my repeat customers were brow beaten and jumped all over in posts on there. They remind of a wolf pack waiting to find a weakness and ganging up on the weakest member of the pack. Actually I think Vultures and Hyenas would be a better desciption. One smell of blood and they all come running. Keep your shorts on and we'll stop airing that laundry and try to stick to the subject of this thread. I just needed to get that other thing off my chest and vent a little........Ok I'm over it.

[Hadoken Kitty]

Originally Posted by Chard56

Stigmatagone, Ha ha ha! Good one. Speaking of "that" forum I made more friends on there from having a bad rep than the rest of the goody two shoes put together. I think it took me two weeks to go from a zero reputation to a negative 125. Here are some European Veiltail standards. http://www.bettas4all.nl/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=9081

Can you copy/paste what you're seeing? I don't want to make yet another account for anything right now. PLEASEEEE!? (:

[Chard56]

It is not allowed to copy, translate or use the content of this standard without permission of the author.

[Hadoken Kitty]

Okay I'm sorry I couldn't see. T.T

[dramaqueen]

Originally Posted by LittleBettaFish

I do have to say Chard, I am pretty sure I found a thread ages ago with some of your fish (I think it was DTs) and I can see where members of the UB were coming from with some of their criticisms. Some of your fish had very uneven lobes and poor finnage and I felt that these fish were not a prime example of your breeding program.

AquaBid.com - Archived Auction # fwbettasdt1303116604 - Red Copper Dragon Doubletail Crowntail Male - Ended: Mon Apr 18 03:50:04 2011

For example that is a male of yours I think should have been culled or given away.

While I think UB comes down fairly hard sometimes (they also seem to have malware or something attached to their site as my computer hates it), I think you have to be fair in saying some of the flack you might have received was warranted.

I always think it is in poor taste to criticise one forum on another. I'm sure everyone on here would be up in arms if Bettafish.com was getting routinely raked over the coals by UB.

Also this isn't me being biased etc. as I have only like 20 odd posts or so on UB and thousands here.

We have been raked over the coals by certain people who dislike this forum and who say we're too nice and polite, all glitter and unicorns. Then there is the oh, I'm not rude, I just don't sugarcoat stuff thing.