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Old 03-02-2013, 10:28 AM   #1 
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Greatful Acres Bettas

We're not breeding just yet, but will be soon! We have a HUGE, 150 gallon tank that came w/ the house. It could hold probaly 50 bettas! We specialize in Veiltail/Crowntail crosses to make a nice-confirmationed fish. We also will be doing fullmoon, purebred Velitails, and purebred Crowntails. Prices depend on color, confirmation, breed, and temperment!
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Old 03-02-2013, 10:37 AM   #2 
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Cool :) If you have any questions, feel free to ask! 150g tank is awesome, will hold a lot of bettas! Too bad they didn't leave breeding tanks and more grow out tanks :P
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Old 03-02-2013, 10:44 AM   #3 
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Our plan is to let them get older, then to put the girls i'm selling in my 10 gallon tank, and put males in bowls. Sound like it'll work?
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Old 03-02-2013, 11:39 AM   #4 
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Umm.. yes and no.

You will need separate breeding tanks, then grow out tanks (I prefer no less than 29gs per grow out, as you don't know how many in a spawn you will keep, etc).

Once they start to fight you will then separate the males (once in a while a female) into containers to finish growing.. most breeders use 32oz deli cups, 32oz+ mason jars, beanie containers, etc.. should be of a decent size so they can finish growing before selling. I personally have 32oz deli cups, .33g, .66g, 1g, and 1.75g containers.
Need a way to heat up every one of them - that is important. With multiple pairs of breeding, such as you are talking about, you would want to have a couple hundred of those containers.

The females can stay together until sold for the most part.. so you will want to make sure to have spare tanks, or even large 20+ gallon rubbermaide/sterillite containers to keep them in long term.. heated, lighted, etc if you don't have enough tanks to hold them all in.

See, the thing is you will need a couple different sized tanks.. one to breed in, and one to grow out in, and if needed, one to hold the ones for sale in. Unsure where you plan on breeding them and what you are going to grow them out in.. the 150g tank won't serve any purpose other than you can hold your females in that are for sale. You won't be able to breed in that tank, and I don't suggest growing them out in that tank as it takes a lot of work with cleaning multiple times a day and a 150g tank is just too large to clean properly and to feed in properly.
But it would make for a great female holding tank.

You will also need multiple containers/tanks to hold all your breeding fish in as well.. lots of money, space and time is put into breeding just one pair of bettas... multiples like you are wanting will need quite a bit.

As for your selling plans.. make sure you know how/where to sell.. know veiltails are very hard to get rid of, know when/how to mix fin types, know the standards for the different fin types (as you may breed X fin type, but they aren't the standard so you won't be able to sell them for the prices others go for, etc)... temperament plays no part in sales.. as these fish are all generally the same. Color will depend on how it is colored - know when irids are welcomed and not, know whether or not red wash is good, etc etc..

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Old 03-02-2013, 05:05 PM   #5 
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I dont really understand how crossing ct and vt will create better conformed fish
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Old 03-02-2013, 06:13 PM   #6 
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It won't.. it'll create VTs with different lengths of fins and raggedy at the end. Some types you can mix to help improve a line - say a CTxHM to get the CT to a 180, but that generally takes a few generations and inbreeding.

I would do some research on how to breed properly - ask different questions, read many different sites as there are so many ways to breed.. but there is still a basic that needs to be met.

Also study some on genetics, form standards, etc.. so you know what to look for when breeding/selling.. just tossing in a couple fish together can result in fish that are undesirable.. even HMs that are one of the top favorites, you only get a handful that are good and that people will want to buy.. and that is using good parents/genes. Breeding HMxHM doesn't guarantee all HMs, so know what to look for so you don't mislabel them.. know which is a delta or a super delta.. if people believe they are purchasing one type, but getting another will not be happy.. you will have to refund, be out the money and the fish, and trust me.. breeders talk among each other and will give bad reviews if it's warranted.

So lots and lots and lots of research.. start small scale then work up from that. Your 150g isn't a starting place, like I said, it's only good for holding females for sale in. And even then you will have a lot of water changes with it and have to be vigilant as to not allow diseases in there, can run rampant when you have too many fish in one tank.

There are stickes at the top of this section.. start with those. We'll be happy to answer any questions you have.
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I don't think i'll have a prob selling the purebred VTs, prob right about the hybrid though... Ive been sharing on facebook, so shouldn't have probs w/ that either. But i can work harder than usual. Would a 5g do for just breeding? I mean, no housing, no other fish, just breeding? Then keep all babes in the 150g untill the males are at age, then bowl them, and sell? BTW, i'm younger than 20
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Well, not well, but ok...
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Old 03-03-2013, 08:15 AM   #9 
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A 5g will be fine to breed in.. keep in mind for large spawns they may need to be moved sooner which could have an impact on them depending upon their size.

The 150... the only issues I see is you will have to be doing LARGE daily water changes, siphoning out the bottom every day.. it will be a lot of work and a lot of water - so expect a big jump in the water bill. You can't just pour new water in either.. have to do it slowly and have to make the new water match the old water in both chemistry and temp. If you have to replace even 50g of water.. that will take a long time - all day. And then repeat the process the next day. See how that could be a pain?

And feeding *may* be difficult as well..

It would work for fish that are more adult and not as fragile.. ones that don't need the daily changes. But you will still need to do multiple changes a week once they are bigger.. so the bettas that are older and ready to sell can be in there easier than when they are first put in there. You tend to move them when they get about 5mm in size. They would get lost in such a big tank and may not find all the food you place in there.

It will also be easier to keep a smaller tank such as a 29g heated to 80+ than a 150g tank.

10gs are just as cheap (in many places cheaper) than 5gs.. the fry can stay in the 10g a bit longer.. so personally I would get a 10g to breed in, 29g to start growing them out in, and once they are 3.5 months+ move them to the 150 to hold them in.
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I don't think i'll have a prob selling the purebred VTs, prob right about the hybrid though... Ive been sharing on facebook, so shouldn't have probs w/ that either. But i can work harder than usual. Would a 5g do for just breeding? I mean, no housing, no other fish, just breeding? Then keep all babes in the 150g untill the males are at age, then bowl them, and sell? BTW, i'm younger than 20
I wish you well with your plans. I do disagree that you will have no problem selling purebred VTs. If you do manage to sell them it will likely be for far less than the cost of production. Getting quality breeding stock to start with is key to your success. Each spawn will require hundreds of hours of work to raise to maturity.
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