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Old 03-09-2013, 06:01 PM   #1 
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Exclamation Fin Rot OR Tail Biting ?

HI to all betta master here. I am a newbie, bought this fish a few day ago, and his tail start to DECAY! Is this a fin rot or tail biting? I am now treating it with Japanese yellow powder & daily water change. What should I do other than that? Thanks all.

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Old 03-09-2013, 06:04 PM   #2 
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The gray edges show rot, although he may also be biting.

More info is needed: http://www.bettafish.com/showthread.php?t=49233

Also what is " Japanese yellow powder"?
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The gray edges show rot, although he may also be biting.

More info is needed: http://www.bettafish.com/showthread.php?t=49233

Also what is " Japanese yellow powder"?
Thanks a lot for the reply. Below are the extra info...

Yellow powder: http://www.aquatickoi.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/elbajo.jpg



Housing
What size is your tank? 1/2 gallon small betta tank
What temperature is your tank? 75
Does your tank have a filter? No
Does your tank have an air stone or other type of aeration? No
Is your tank heated? No
What tank mates does your betta fish live with? None
Food
What type of food do you feed your betta fish? Betta pellete
How often do you feed your betta fish? 3 times a day
Maintenance
How often do you perform a water change? Daily 100%
What percentage of the water do you change when you perform a water change? 100%
What type of additives do you add to the water when you perform a water change? None
Water Parameters:
Have you tested your water? If so, what are the following parameters? Not tested
Symptoms and Treatment
How has your betta fish's appearance changed? Big chunk of tail decay
How has your betta fish's behavior changed? Not much change
When did you start noticing the symptoms? Few days ago
Have you started treating your fish? If so, how? Using http://www.aquatickoi.com/wp-content.../03/elbajo.jpg
Does your fish have any history of being ill? No
How old is your fish (approximately)? > 1 year
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Old 03-09-2013, 10:57 PM   #4 
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I can't really comment on whether or not you have a good treatment because I don't speak Japanese and I have no idea what meds are in that pack.

I can only tell you that he probably needs a good strong antibiotic for a week or two.

As far as keeping your guy healthy long term..

Conditioner is not optional. You need to be using conditioner that says it removes chlorine, chloramines and heavy metals - all three.

Bettas need to be kept in 2 gallons minimum. In these twice weekly water changes of 50% and 100% are needed. Bettas kept in 1 gallon containers live an average of about 2 years compared to double that+ in larger containers. The 1 gallon would need 3 weekly water changes of 50%, 50% and 100%, and even then they will be subjected to ammonia. The half gallon isn't good for anything but a quarantine container getting daily changes.

The 50% changes the betta can be kept in the bowl and use a turkey baster to remove half the water and as much of the debris as possible. For the 100% you need to remove him - scoop him out with a plastic solo type cup and set aside while you thoroughly rinse the bowl and gravel to remove the debris. Then he should be acclimated to the new water by floating for an hour while you slowly add a couple tablespoons of new water to the cup every 10 minutes. When you release him, try to let as little of the old cup water back into the tank as possible. All water changes should use same temp water, matched to running tap using the in tank thermometer and the water needs to be premixed with conditioner before adding it to the betta tank. If you don't already have anything, you can use gallon water jugs from the grocery store - rinsed thoroughly in hot water but no chems.

Your guy is also too cold. Bettas are tropical fish and must be kept at a temp between 76-82, with 78-80 being ideal. The temp must be stable and not be dipping or jumping around. In a 2 gallon you can get an adjustable 25w heater. Any new heater should be tested for 24 hours in similar size container with in tank thermometer to make sure it will hold a constant appropriate temp between 78-80F. Then the betta must be acclimated to higher temp either by floating in a cup inside the main already fully heated tank for an hour, or by adjusting the heater to increase the temperature of the tank no more than a degree per hour and 5 degrees per day.

You should check to make sure you have a good quality pellets whose first two or three ingredients are whole fish, not fish meal or wheat. He should be fed two small meals a day (how many depends on the pellet you pick up) and one fast day a week.
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Really thanks for the quick and detailed reply.

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I can't really comment on whether or not you have a good treatment because I don't speak Japanese and I have no idea what meds are in that pack.

I can only tell you that he probably needs a good strong antibiotic for a week or two.

As far as keeping your guy healthy long term..

Conditioner is not optional. You need to be using conditioner that says it removes chlorine, chloramines and heavy metals - all three.

Bettas need to be kept in 2 gallons minimum. In these twice weekly water changes of 50% and 100% are needed. Bettas kept in 1 gallon containers live an average of about 2 years compared to double that+ in larger containers. The 1 gallon would need 3 weekly water changes of 50%, 50% and 100%, and even then they will be subjected to ammonia. The half gallon isn't good for anything but a quarantine container getting daily changes.

The 50% changes the betta can be kept in the bowl and use a turkey baster to remove half the water and as much of the debris as possible. For the 100% you need to remove him - scoop him out with a plastic solo type cup and set aside while you thoroughly rinse the bowl and gravel to remove the debris. Then he should be acclimated to the new water by floating for an hour while you slowly add a couple tablespoons of new water to the cup every 10 minutes. When you release him, try to let as little of the old cup water back into the tank as possible. All water changes should use same temp water, matched to running tap using the in tank thermometer and the water needs to be premixed with conditioner before adding it to the betta tank. If you don't already have anything, you can use gallon water jugs from the grocery store - rinsed thoroughly in hot water but no chems.

Your guy is also too cold. Bettas are tropical fish and must be kept at a temp between 76-82, with 78-80 being ideal. The temp must be stable and not be dipping or jumping around. In a 2 gallon you can get an adjustable 25w heater. Any new heater should be tested for 24 hours in similar size container with in tank thermometer to make sure it will hold a constant appropriate temp between 78-80F. Then the betta must be acclimated to higher temp either by floating in a cup inside the main already fully heated tank for an hour, or by adjusting the heater to increase the temperature of the tank no more than a degree per hour and 5 degrees per day.

You should check to make sure you have a good quality pellets whose first two or three ingredients are whole fish, not fish meal or wheat. He should be fed two small meals a day (how many depends on the pellet you pick up) and one fast day a week.
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Old 03-09-2013, 11:37 PM   #6 
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According to something I found on another forum, Japanese Yellow Powder is 10% Sodium Nifurstyrenate, an antibiotic used in Asian prawn and fish farming.

According to this document, it is a nitrofuran antibiotic that is used in Japan.

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According to something I found on another forum, Japanese Yellow Powder is 10% Sodium Nifurstyrenate, an antibiotic used in Asian prawn and fish farming.

According to this document, it is a nitrofuran antibiotic that is used in Japan.
Thanks for the info! Means I can use this to treat my fish for fin rot, right?
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Old 03-10-2013, 08:55 PM   #9 
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Thanks for all the reply!

Today morning I found a big chunk of tail at the bottom of the quarantine container! Photo here: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=1&theater

This look more like a bacterial attack or he bite his own tail during night time when it is almost total dark, as I do not have light for him.
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