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Old 03-12-2013, 04:11 PM   #361 
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i'm just curious, is there any actual difference between a ranchu and a "lionhead" goldfish, or is it just that one is the traditional japanese name and the other is an americanised name?
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The ranchu originates from Japan while the lionhead originates from China. I think lionheads are the older breed.
Lionheads have shorter bodies, thinner heads but bigger wens, and grow smaller. Their tails are also not tucked under their bodies as much..

(ex from Fish Sempai, Canadian breeders)


There are two types of ranchu, top view and side view. Ranchu in general grow larger, have a more rectangular head (most important in top views) and the tail is tucked under the body more.

(top view ranchus from Fish Sempai also)


(a side view, showing the tail tuck, again from Fish Sempai).


Generally, the ones sold in pet stores can be either way.. they are not show quality so don't display the traits of show quality fish, it's hard to say what the fish you get in the pet store is, where they use the two names interchangeably.
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Old 03-12-2013, 06:37 PM   #363 
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i was at the pet store and there was a tiny little baby goldfish! he was about the size of a penny he was soo small he was white with a orange head
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Old 03-13-2013, 12:13 AM   #364 
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Can someone tell me which fancy was the first fancy to be developed?

EDIT: oh also, is saki hikari a good food for goldfish?

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Can someone tell me which fancy was the first fancy to be developed?

EDIT: oh also, is saki hikari a good food for goldfish?
here is a good (but somewhat convoluted) chart showing the descent of the modern goldfish breeds:
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Old 03-13-2013, 01:29 AM   #366 
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Can someone tell me which fancy was the first fancy to be developed?
Probably the wakin. Same body as a common but has a double tail. From there they got the fantail which has the slightly bubble body and the double tail. And the rest is history!
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here is a good (but somewhat convoluted) chart showing the descent of the modern goldfish breeds:
Wow thanks! And thank you too koimaiden!
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Yep, Saki is good if you have that kind of money.
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Thanks! The ingredients look weird though....Should I be worried about that?
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What ingredients?
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