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Old 04-05-2013, 07:41 PM   #11 
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Black females are sterile, but females carryinging the melano gene are not.
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Old 04-05-2013, 07:45 PM   #12 
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Only melano females are infertile... A protein in their eggs prevents them from developing properly.
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Old 04-06-2013, 10:28 AM   #13 
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Ok, I think I have figured Blanca out (the last betta pictured) after looking at many pics of other EE's, both male & female I do believe I have a HMPKEE female! I know the color match isn't the best, but does anyone think I should not breed the HM pictured here with the EE? Since I am still learning, if you think they would not make a good pairing, can you please tell me why (such as MoonShadow explaining to me that my DT's body is to short & can lead to problems.)

If I do pair these two somewhere down the line I would than need to breed a daughter with the HM father to get other HMs and a son to the EE mother to get other EEs, correct?
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Old 04-06-2013, 11:54 AM   #14 
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Personally I wouldn't pair the HM with the EE - if you have other options. The HM has too little a caudal and big dorsal and anal fins. Pairing him to a PK will not improve that. This paring is OK if you intend to go the PK route.

The DT also has small caudal. But at least you'd have more options - PK, EEPK, DTPK, EEDTPK. That being said, I'd pair her to the DT . . . . Not sure about short body carrying deformities. TBH, I prefer shorter bodies - short wide bodies.
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Old 04-06-2013, 03:16 PM   #15 
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I keep looking at that EE, the anal is so long for a female PK, they usually have short and straight anals. Does s/he have an egg spot ( A small white dot on the belly between the ventral fins)?

I would breed the HM to a well proportioned female, one with a short anal, even breeding him to a nice HMPK female would work, you don't want the offspring to have such a long anal. The ideal halfmoon is even all the way around you can drawn a circle around him and all of his fins will fit in it.

Here are 2 nice HM females that don't have super long anals and pointed anals that you see in a lot of HM females
http://www.aquabid.com/cgi-bin/aucti...shm&1365397167

http://www.aquabid.com/cgi-bin/aucti...shm&1365513725


And 2 nice HMPK females
http://www.aquabid.com/cgi-bin/aucti...hmp&1365589801

http://www.aquabid.com/cgi-bin/aucti...hmp&1365590404


And just for comparison here is a EEHMPK female, look how short and straight her anal is.
http://www.aquabid.com/cgi-bin/aucti...hmp&1365719901
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Old 04-06-2013, 03:25 PM   #16 
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Ok, good thing I have time to do the research before spawing and find out about the short bodies and spinal deformities. None of these pictured have current planned mates. They were the only bettas I had other than VT's and a baby CT, so I figured my first step would be to ask experienced breeders if any of these had potential. If any do then I need to find them partners. I worried about pairing the DT with the EE because of to much finage (I don't know if that is a proper term, I'm still learning all of those. Going to find out what the caudal is when I'm done here.) Knowing some DT's can have problems because their tails can be to heavy and EE's I've heard can have problems because of their large pectoral (I think I've heard the side fins called that) fins I was hesitant to mix those two. But anyway, Indjo, in your opinion the EE is ok to breed, the DT is iffy, and you would not breed the HM. Correct?
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I keep looking at that EE, the anal is so long for a female PK, they usually have short and straight anals. Does s/he have an egg spot ( A small white dot on the belly between the ventral fins)?

I would breed the HM to a well proportioned female, one with a short anal, even breeding him to a nice HMPK female would work, you don't want the offspring to have such a long anal. The ideal halfmoon is even all the way around you can drawn a circle around him and all of his fins will fit in it.

Here are 2 nice HM females that don't have super long anals and pointed anals that you see in a lot of HM females
http://www.aquabid.com/cgi-bin/aucti...shm&1365397167

http://www.aquabid.com/cgi-bin/aucti...shm&1365513725




And 2 nice HMPK females
http://www.aquabid.com/cgi-bin/aucti...hmp&1365589801

http://www.aquabid.com/cgi-bin/aucti...hmp&1365590404


And just for comparison here is a EEHMPK female, look how short and straight her anal is.
http://www.aquabid.com/cgi-bin/aucti...hmp&1365719901
That EE has a long story & her own thread here
http://www.bettafish.com/showthread.php?t=146242

I keep going back & forth on her and am ready to give up figuring it out, but right now I am leaning towards it being a male HMPKEE. Which means I can pair none pictured here & need to find them all ladies if they are breedable.


I keep forgetting to mention MoonShadow, that I have liked your page on FB as well, once I have everything smoothed out and taken care of my babies here I plan on trying to take in one of your rescues. I admire what you are doing with them.

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Old 04-07-2013, 07:59 AM   #18 
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The EE died last night, so won't be being breed obviously. Sorry, I'm more than a little bummed loosing him. I also lost a CT baby yesterday, so bad day.

My fiance felt bad when the baby CT died, it was actually my 3 yr old son fish, and went out and bought me a new male. He did awesome in picking the guy out (I think he may have caught the betta bug now) When I got up this morning he let me know that he'd been playing with our new guy and got him to flare for a pic for me. He's a DT, although his caudal doesn't quite show that in the pic. Someone else told me he'd be called a Halfsun also, so a HSDT. Anyway. same question as the others, can I breed him? I'm thinking he's just barely exceptable. Is his branching a little to much?
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Old 04-07-2013, 09:52 AM   #19 
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I say go for it - he might not be a perfect HM and could have better topline but he has fairly balanced fins. I love his dorsal, it's front rays are long. I'd say pair him to a balanced HM female, preferably a 8 ray.
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Old 04-07-2013, 10:01 AM   #20 
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Thank you Indjo! Now to find him the right lady. If I get stuck trying to figure out the rays do you mind if I message you? I know I've seen info on how to count the rays on here and a couple other places I have bookmarked, but I'm still unsure how to tell all that.
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