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Old 07-02-2013, 03:27 PM   #11 
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yes please give me an in depth critique on each one.
I'm sorry you feel upset, but you can't yell at someone for doing what you asked them to do.. you wanted an honest opinion and you had gotten some. Yes, you can get some good fish generations after ones you get from the store.. no one is denying that. But after 5 years and working the show circuit, you should know more about the colors, about mixing the fins, and the many faults those particular ones have, etc etc..

What shows have you been in? Just curious as to whether or not I know you as I follow the IBC and groups in shows :)

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Old 07-02-2013, 03:29 PM   #12 
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You asked for a critique of your fish...dont get upset because you got one.
If you want to breed towards a goal youve got to know what bits and pieces to fix in your line along the way. Otherwise how are they going to improve
No harm in breeding petstore fish, theres often some very nice fish in petstores
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Old 07-02-2013, 03:39 PM   #13 
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They did not say that your fish suck. I'm sure they're very pretty. I cantsee the pics on my Kindle. The members that *critiqued* your fish are IBC breeders. Sometimes petstore fish can be bred but only if the breeder knows what to look for.
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Old 07-02-2013, 03:49 PM   #14 
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I mainly work with creating butterfly's i've gotten some amazing 3banded ones and even one 4 but he didn't make it past 6months :/ and all his eggs never hatched. And I'm just a having the hardest time grasping how the black and white works. I don't really understand how to even get the colors or lack of color. mainly the white. I don't know what colors to breed, I don't really know what color I'm looking for but I want vibrant color not muddy color.Guess im just going to buy one of every color and test it out lol jk.

And the comment you quoted was me being sarcastic about the whole situation... then I thought better of it but I've been upset over this since the first comment cause I asked for color opinions not Oh your fish aren't breeding quality.This is not what I asked lol. I was like wow im so excited about this and your a total buzz kill you know.
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Old 07-02-2013, 04:07 PM   #15 
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What shows have you been in? Just curious as to whether or not I know you as I follow the IBC and groups in shows :)
As for the shows I don't know i was told i wasn't able to register i was 12 when I started so my moms friend Mike who was in the IBC would take me and my bettas to shows. And for the last two years i haven't shown at all because i rescued a race horse then i rescued a BLM mustang this year and all my time goes to there rehabilitation and training so i have no real time to be breeding fish. but ive gotten sick and cant be riding and training my horses for 2-3months(so far) so i thought i'd get back into it and show off what i can do.
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Old 07-02-2013, 04:35 PM   #16 
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...But then you were going to take flaring pictures for us to properly critique.
Critiques arent a personal attack towards you, they are bits of advice helping you decide what ones to work with.

Just like breeding horses, the conformation must be looked at and a suitable partner who can compliment the weakness must be used instead of using another poorly conformed horse just because it has a purdy colour.

But anyway if you want to replicate the colours you already have, find females who are the same colour...
My main advice is keep red away from the white and try to even out the colour in his fins
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Old 07-02-2013, 05:06 PM   #17 
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for the white one when i was sent pictures of him he was about 2.5 months old all his fins where clear and i loved that main reason i bought him but he's been sitting around in the breeders house for a couple months and has gotten more color as he's gotten older. so im hoping he turns all the same color like my Royal blue did(fish in profile pic); bought him thinking i bought a butterfly/marble now he is all blue but i still love him :) this is him when i bought him


And i don't necessarily want to replicate the color i just want to see what happens, and i know to stay away from red... i don't like red bettas anyways but had to get one to help make purple. Right now i have a group of females im looking at they all are crown tails(i personally love crown tail crosses) i like the mint green and royal blue would they work out?
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Old 07-03-2013, 10:19 AM   #18 
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Color Genetics Guide

http://www.tropicalfishkeeping.com/b...-color-192889/

Black is a color layer. You can't "produce them". Their parents must be black. There are a few blacks; melamo (infertile female), black lace, black orchid, black copper, black dragon (not really black) and super black.
Black melano is said to be the "true" black because it has more black pigments compared to other blacks. Lace and orchid can be produced from black x irid crosses. While Super black is said to be from a copper line (melano x copper)

White is a "created" color. It is very hard to maintain (clear, clean white) so it is best to breed white to white. It was created from cambodian x irid. You will need the Non Red (NR) and blond genes from the cambodian and the steel blue from the irid. I'm not sure in what generation whites come out, but they don't immediately arise from any caambodian x irid crosses.

DO NOT mix black nor white to any red because that will ruin the main colors and turn it into multi combinations. Because of it's background, you will probably produce cambodian patterns anyway.

If you want to breed for shows, listen to everyone above, they know what they are talking about and will help you achieve goals in as few generations as possible.
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Old 07-03-2013, 03:58 PM   #19 
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I don't want to show thats the thing; I just wanted something fun to do while I'm sick, and cant do literally anything or my spleen might rupture. An my moms fish breeder gave me an amazing deal on his fish when we were there picking coral and a breeding pair of clown fish he said hey I'm over stoked and I could have any fresh water fish I wanted for 80%off so I picked those two bettas... it never crossed my mind to breed them until he asked me if I wanted to buy a couple females and start breeding program... As the days went buy it sounded like a really good idea. all i was really looking for is "if you use this color you'll get this and it will be amazing."

any ways thank you for the sites and description on the colors I appreciate it I really really do. that's one of the main questions I've been asking.
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Old 07-03-2013, 04:13 PM   #20 
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Oh. Well then. OK, steel blue+turquoise=royal blue. Easy peasy beautiful colored fish that are easy to give away because they are sooo pretty.
Most of your matched pairs will produce something similar to the parents...say lavendar butterfly salamanders or blue/white marbles.
You just really want to stay away from crossing the color layers. That's where stuff gets messy.
Try and stay away from red washes. If you are breeding a blue fish pick one that doesn't have red on it.

If you are only wanting a "down time" hobby definetly don't plan on working past F1(or better known as your first batch babies from parent fish)
2-3 months is enough time to raise one spawn so make it count.

Now, are you wanting to breed your blue marble male? That's fine. Find a blue female. You should end up with solid blues, marble blues and butterfly blues. Since he doesn't have a mask I'd pick a female that also doesn't have a mask. If you cross them only for one generation you will get varying degrees of masking. It's messy looking IMHO.

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