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Old 07-24-2013, 01:41 PM   #71 
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Ammonia super high

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If you notice the ammonia gets over 5ppm remove the shrimp and do a small water change.
Itís important to keep ammonia levels in the desired range of 2ppm-5ppm throughout the whole cycle.



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I'm attempting my first fishless cycle using raw shrimp. I have two 2.5g filtered and planted tanks (fluval substrate w/coarse sand cap). One tank has a couple pieces of driftwood and the other has some large pieces of hardscape to provide surface area for BB.

I live on the top floor of an NYC apartment building and we've been having a heat wave. Water temps were 98F when I put the shrimp in (they turned pink almost immediately) and were at 88F when I left this morning. pH varies for both tanks between 6.0 and 6.4.

The shrimp were removed 2 days ago and I did a 25% water change. However my ammonia reading is keeping steady at 8.0 (tap water reads 0.0)

I have not done an additional water change because I'm dosing with Pimafix in response to some mould from the shrimp.

I feel a little lost, like maybe I messed up somewhere. Is this normal? Should I wait for ammonia to drop? Any advise would be welcome. Thanks!
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Old 07-24-2013, 02:00 PM   #72 
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That's a lot of shrimp for a little water.

Honestly, if your tank is planted, you should be fine. Not to mention your pH is at 6-6.4.

This is a rough representation of the relationship to pH and ammonia/ammonium.
At your low pH, practically all the ammonia molecules will be present as ammonium, which is much less toxic.
As long as your pH is stable at those levels, you should be fine with just a small weekly water change in the tanks. :)
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Whew! Thanks for the quick reply and the info!! Honestly, my confidence was a little shaken and now feels restored. Much appreciated!!
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Old 07-24-2013, 02:11 PM   #74 
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Yep, take the shrimp out and get those readings down low for a clean start.
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Old 09-02-2013, 09:13 AM   #75 
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Hi! Awesome guide, a lot of options I haven't read about before. I have a question. I'm currently cycling a 40gallon tank. I used to have it set up but I removed all my residents to revamp it all. I saved the bio wheel and filter cartridge and floated it in a bucket of old tank water, and it was like that for a few days. HOWEVER, there was no aeration or movement in the bucket--it just sat in there. Could my bacteria have died off? I had no other source of saved media, all the decor was scrubbed clean and it used to be bare bottom (I recently added sand). I set it up two days ago, and yesterday I had an ammonia reading of 1.5ppm. I currently have 2 fairly large aquatic salamanders in a sterilite bin quite unhappy waiting to be put home. I assumed that I would be able to "skip" most of the cycle time because of the saved filter media but I never knew it had to be aerated. Do you think I may be starting over with a cycle? Or if it is still okay, with no other source of ammonia in there except for a few plants, will my ammonia really SPIKE or will it only get a tad higher before dropping off? Also, would doing a 70-80% water change crash the cycle? I once did a large water change like that and my cycle crashed :(
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Doing water changes will NEVER crash the cycle, no matter how large.

I have a canister filter that I let sit full of water and dirty media for several months. When I hooked it back up on a tank, it took less than 2 weeks to get "reanimated", converting ammonia to nitrate. If you kept it wet it ought to still be intact, aeration or not - give it a little more time and see what happens.
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Doing water changes will NEVER crash the cycle, no matter how large.

I have a canister filter that I let sit full of water and dirty media for several months. When I hooked it back up on a tank, it took less than 2 weeks to get "reanimated", converting ammonia to nitrate. If you kept it wet it ought to still be intact, aeration or not - give it a little more time and see what happens.
So should I do water changes while it's cycling? There's nobody in the tank so I don't see why I would...
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If there are no fish in the tank then it's not necessary. The only reason to do water changes while cycling with fish is to keep the fish alive. However, when doing a fishless cycle it is sometimes necessary to do A water change as the cycling process can sometimes stall out half way through. Doing a water change in that instance will almost always kick it back in gear for it to finish.
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Old 09-07-2013, 06:40 PM   #79 
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is the fish-in cycle good? because one: I don't want to go out to buy stuff, do all the measuring and change the water etc. I just don't have the time (and parents wouldn't really allow all that unless I'm cleaning it but I'm worried that my betta will die *tears*
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That's a lot of shrimp for a little water.

Honestly, if your tank is planted, you should be fine. Not to mention your pH is at 6-6.4.

This is a rough representation of the relationship to pH and ammonia/ammonium.
At your low pH, practically all the ammonia molecules will be present as ammonium, which is much less toxic.
As long as your pH is stable at those levels, you should be fine with just a small weekly water change in the tanks. :)
Thanks Olympia! I googled and came up with this really interesting thread-
http://www.fishlore.com/fishforum/aq...ia-levels.html

When I test my tap water, treated with conditioner and without, I get an ammonia reading of .50 ppm. I believe this is because our city's water is treated with chloramine instead of chlorine, but am not 100% on that.
I have one betta in a 10 gallon divided tank with a filter and plants alone, while it cycles and another in a 2 gallon tank without a filter.

10g tank-
pH= 7
ammonia= .50 ppm

2g tank-
pH=6.6
ammonia=.50 ppm


I treated the water in both tanks with Amquel, which is supposed to treat the ammonia and I added some Atison's betta spa to the small tank today which brought the ammonia down from 1 ppm to .50.
I did a 100% water change on the small tank Tuesday and have been changing out half the water roughly every other day (i did it yesterday). This has really been confusing for me because of the "ammonia" already found in my tap water.

Is it safe to assume that the ammonia in both my tanks is mostly ammonium at these pHs? And is the pH in the big tank high enough to allow BB to grow or should I try to get it higher?

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