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Old 08-19-2013, 02:27 AM   #1 
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Koi Male and Marble Female

What I will get if I spawned a male koi with a blue marble female? Will I get any fancy marbles?

This is my male koi. Since the picture was taken some of the white areas on the body has changed to black.
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Old 08-19-2013, 03:31 AM   #2 
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Marble is the same gene, you will get what I listed for crossing marbles. If you want to see Marble in the F1 you need to cross to a solid, preferably yellow or orange.
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Old 08-19-2013, 03:33 AM   #3 
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People here is the thing, Marble, Grizzle, Koi are ALL Marble genes..if you want to see Marble in the first generation spawn a marble to a solid.
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Old 08-19-2013, 03:15 PM   #4 
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Darth is right about kois being marbles(as expressed by you admittingra his color has changed slightly since getting him).
But breeding marble to marble doesn't make it skip a generation.
Breeding koi to koi you won't necessarily get koi. This is because the marble gene is, for the most part, unpredictable. getting a 'fancy' marble is up to luck in part with the genetics.
You'll get a mix of solids,multies,marbles,butterflies...it's a grab bag really.
If one is orange or yellow as opposed to red, I'd try to find a match for that(another orange for an orange or yellow for a yellow) otherwise your fry will show red(unless it carries the other color). But this is just me since I try to avoid red as a personal preference.

here are a couple articles you may find interesting for breeding marbles.:
some info #1

Some info #2

@Darth, I would like to see where you're getting this information as I've bred marbles myself. o.O
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Old 08-19-2013, 09:09 PM   #5 
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Thank you for the info guys.

I won't be able to get hold of orange or yellows unfortunately.

Getting them to spawn is my main task at the moment. Been trying for over a month now and still nothing. Just set up the spawn tank last night for my 3rd or 4th attempt. The female is always excited to see the male when in a separate tank but once together she seems intimidated by him so what I'm trying differently this time is to provide a better hideout so she can hide until she feels comfortable to come out.
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Old 08-19-2013, 10:16 PM   #6 
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Bambi, I have been a breeder for 40 years.
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Old 10-04-2013, 02:43 PM   #7 
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40 years and not one title or ribbon.. not one technical paper written. not know among the breeder circles... hrrrmmmm
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Old 10-04-2013, 11:48 PM   #8 
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Some of us breeder is not into ribbon, title or make a name.
Where just into the hobby of raising n caring for the betta.
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Old 10-13-2013, 02:30 AM   #9 
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Which is fine curly-fat-bottom, but however I have bred marble x marble and gotten marble. I think the point of this small little spat is that we don't necessarily want to steer ppl in a direction that can't be backed by fact. & for somebody to say they have bred for X amount of time is not a qualification/credential when somebody who has bred 6 months bred marble x marble and got more marble....confused... i mean isn't marrble the jumping gene. it can choose to express itself WHENEVER it wants...
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