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Old 01-21-2014, 01:04 PM   #1 
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Breeding CT

I'm sure there is another thread like this but I'm too lazy to look right now.

I have a question! So my friend and I will be breeding, we currently have a Black Copper CT boy called Osiris, he has a full 180 spread and is a Double Ray I believe, here is the boy's AB picture:


And from a few day's ago, so really he's only changed his white tips to black which was kind of expected but we hoped he wouldn't.


We have two choices for female at the current moment, a regular dark Copper CT girl who is also a Double Ray but her spread is only DeT, but she's got decent web reduction.
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Or the twin sister to this male who is a CTPK black copper
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Now my question is this:
Which is harder to remove from a line, a DeT spread or getting back to longer fins after breeding with a CTPK I understand if we breed with the CTPK we'll get varying fin lengths, but the fact remains that he is a 180 spread as I assume the girl would be (getting her pic tomorrow) where the copper girl is a very small spread, barely reaching 155 I think, maybe 160 but either way she's a DeT, not ever Super DeT. Any insight on this would be nice. Of course I know the CTPK is very long bodied but I feel it would contrast Osiris nicely, the copper girl does have good form all around though.
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I don't know anything about genes, I just wanted to say his sister is AMAZING.
Gorgeous fish.
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I don't know anything about genes, I just wanted to say his sister is AMAZING.
Gorgeous fish.
Thanks, but Thats not his sister, thats a CTPK male but I could get a twin female to that male.
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Old 01-21-2014, 06:14 PM   #4 
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Thanks, but Thats not his sister, thats a CTPK male but I could get a twin female to that male.
Sorry, I totally read that wrong haha. Either way, it's an amazing fish.
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Sorry, I totally read that wrong haha. Either way, it's an amazing fish.
Lol, no worries! Just got a picture of the female to that CTPK male, she is gorgeous! I'll post her later
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Lol, no worries! Just got a picture of the female to that CTPK male, she is gorgeous! I'll post her later
Sounds good! I'm dying to see her.
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Here she is!

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Old 01-22-2014, 09:45 AM   #8 
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I would believe that getting back to long fins would be easier, but I'm not sure. IMO, you should go with the CTPK. I can't see the cupped female very well and she looks pale. Color and finnage wise, the CTPK looks better. She has a lovely dorsal and a clean, straight anal fin. She actually looks better than her brother in the first post!

Good luck with breeding them!

EDIT: You could also try and breed him to both. Just try the CTPK first and then save your wanted fry. As the first batch of fry are in the grow out tank (or in the last stages where you start jarring them) you can breed Osiris to the CT female in the first post. See how the fry turn out and maybe even transfer the genes over with the half-siblings. You can pick and choose. It would be more time, space, and money, but it's your choice since it's an amazing breeding strain.

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Thanks Kiara! Yeah I was surprised when I saw her in the email and was like....she's siblings to THAT male?? They almost don't look anything alike except the color of course but he's got such a long body, I figured she would as well. I know she still carries the gene and all but she looks really nice IMO and the seller is offering her to me for 15 so that's not bad!
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First off, you need to improve your water quality. Notice the later picture of the male - his fins are no longer straight. This is due water quality.

I suggest you breed him to the PK.
1. Though she is DeT too, PK is believed can improve ray size - your male has rather thin rays. IMO if you can find another female with thicker rays, that would be better.
2. She has nice overall form and color, thus you only need to concentrate on fin length and thickness.

BTW, it's easier to make longer fins compared to widen spread.
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