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Old 08-08-2010, 09:02 AM   #1 
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To cycle or not to cycle

Now I posted a thread last night late about what the local shop has been telling me none of which has worked at all. Wondering if the issue now maybe that I have not let the tank cycle properly?

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2 Gal Spring Water
Top fin Bacteria Supplement
Betta Splendid Complete Water Conditioner
Under Gravel filter
2 gallon tank
tank is about 76F

I read something last night about a fish-less cycling process using ammonia. Waiting for a response before I head out for the day, plan on getting a test kit at the bare minimum.
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Old 08-08-2010, 11:10 AM   #2 
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Now I posted a thread last night late about what the local shop has been telling me none of which has worked at all. Wondering if the issue now maybe that I have not let the tank cycle properly?

Products used:
2 Gal Spring Water
Top fin Bacteria Supplement
Betta Splendid Complete Water Conditioner
Under Gravel filter
2 gallon tank
tank is about 76F

I read something last night about a fish-less cycling process using ammonia. Waiting for a response before I head out for the day, plan on getting a test kit at the bare minimum.
I'm doing the fish in cycle, so i keep checking the values twice a day with my betta in the tank, she has been more than fine in the past week. I did get a 2.5 filtered tank, Aqueon MiniBow 2.5, no heater, and turn the filter on for 2 hours every 6 hours to cycle the water and make the whole tank 81F. I know when I need to turn the filter on because Chelle will start swimming in the middle and get really excited when she sees me looking at her, then when I turn it on she exercises on the filter flow. Got it filled to a point it does not cascade on but generates a current.

76F is low for betta's, they need to be between 78 and 82F.

Again, test the Ph before putting your betta in, I was going to use Deer Park water but found its Ph was 8.2.


The test kit is a must!
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Old 08-08-2010, 11:23 AM   #3 
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Ok so test kit Check
does buying water that has already been cycled work???
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Why are you turning your filter off????? It NEEDS to run 24/7 - the bacteria needs the oxygen the filter provides to grow properly.

If the flow is too strong for your betta, you can always baffle the filter.
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Why are you turning your filter off????? It NEEDS to run 24/7 - the bacteria needs the oxygen the filter provides to grow properly.

If the flow is too strong for your betta, you can always baffle the filter.

Because I'm a newbie! hehe, Turning it on and watching how Chelle behaves. thanx for the heads up!
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I wouldn't worry too much about the pH, and I would not recommend changing the pH with any chemicals-most fish will adjust to your source water pH without problems, what is best is a stable pH as pH swings can be deadly.

Bottled water is not regulated and often it is just tap water that has been filter and can still contain chlorine and chloramines that are harmful to fish...always use a good dechlorinator
Also, due to the filtering process of the bottled water it often will have the needed minerals filter out that the fish needs for good health and this needs to be replaced, there are products that you can buy to add this back or use a 50/50 mix of bottled/tap water.

The nitrogen cycle is important, however, in 2g tanks due to the needed water changes of 50% twice week in a filtered tank, you don't have to worry about the cycling process per se, it will happen, and provided that you are not overfeeding and removing any uneaten food after feeding...water quality should be fine.
You want to keep ammonia and nitrite 0.25ppm or less..ideally 0ppm and nitrate 5-10ppm
Water temp in the 76-80F range-

On the filter-it needs to run 24 hours, after the filter has been off for 6 hours the good bacteria start to die and convert to ammonia-when you turn the filter back on without rinsing you can dump a lot of harmful ammonia in the tank, this also can stop the cycling process and/or cause mini cycles that are stressful on the fish.
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ok so still wondering if anyone has heard of shops selling water that has already been cycled? Supposedly it already has the bacteria in it.
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ok so still wondering if anyone has heard of shops selling water that has already been cycled? Supposedly it already has the bacteria in it.
I just sent you a private message on that very subject.

Gotta run & take care of some stuff, but the best of luck!
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ok so still wondering if anyone has heard of shops selling water that has already been cycled? Supposedly it already has the bacteria in it.
The good bacteria needed for cycling is sticky and adhere to everything in the tank- like the walls, decoration, plants both real and fake, in the top layer of the substrate and in the filter media, very little is in the water itself.

To seed the tank you want to get either some gravel or a piece of filter media from a healthy established/cycled tank.
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Is it possible for a tank without a filter to cycle?
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