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Old 01-13-2011, 07:50 PM   #11 
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Wow it's like the guy tried to breed your fish before he sent him to you D=

I'm definatly no betta disease expert, but maybe you can PM OFL or adastra? That looks painful to your fishy )=>
Looks like I might have to...the little pimple of flesh from his wound has gotten bigger. This is starting to look bad.
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Old 01-13-2011, 08:26 PM   #12 
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I would switch to Epsom salt 2tsp/gal and even go up to 3tsp/gal in 24h...watch his tolerance to it at 3tsp/gal...if you have tannins I would add that too...mix up a 1gal jug of dechlorinated treatment water with the Epsom salt and tannins so they can steep and get really dark...and make 50% daily water changes keeping the water temp in the 76-78F range.....Since I only do natural treatment that is what I would do.....I will have to look closer at the pic...are you sure it is not an external parasite under the skin

How is his overall behavior and appetite? I just skimmed over the post...

If he came from Aquabid I sure hope you leave neg feedback and even challenge the paypal payment if that is how you payed.
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Old 01-13-2011, 08:34 PM   #13 
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I would switch to Epsom salt 2tsp/gal and even go up to 3tsp/gal in 24h...watch his tolerance to it at 3tsp/gal...if you have tannins I would add that too...mix up a 1gal jug of dechlorinated treatment water with the Epsom salt and tannins so they can steep and get really dark...and make 50% daily water changes keeping the water temp in the 76-78F range.....Since I only do natural treatment that is what I would do.....I will have to look closer at the pic...are you sure it is not an external parasite under the skin

How is his overall behavior and appetite? I just skimmed over the post...

If he came from Aquabid I sure hope you leave neg feedback and even challenge the paypal payment if that is how you payed.
Alright I'll go to epsom salt - I have IAL so I'll add that too.

The wound...let's see...a good way to explain it is like this (with food...only say I know how). You know how you cook salmon and sometimes you can cook it too long? Then there's white gooey protein leaking out in between each layer of meat? That's what the wound looks like - coagulated protein. Or like a small piece of egg white that was scrambled.

His appetite has increased - it's just really hard for him to eat because I think he has a mouth deformity.. but he'll eat 3 pellets a day and every other day I add 3 bloodworms with his meal (and I fast 1 day out of the week).

I'm not educated with parasites, but I'll try to take a closer look. Could you perhaps give me some ideas as to what kind of parasite it may be?

Also: This fish was a private transaction, so I didn't buy it off of Aquabid, but I bought it from an Aquabid seller. Should I still challenge paypal for my money? (I paid $18 for the fish and $5 shipping from the seller..how much do I try to get back? Just 18?)
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Old 01-13-2011, 09:00 PM   #14 
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Look up lympsitosis (sp) that is what it remind me of...it also reminds me of tumors that can often be seen on DT that are poorly bred...goole those and see if they fit what you see

I am not sure on the paypal thing- I don't deal with aquabid or paypal to know how they work...but this fish has multi problems and I would say they started at the breeders IMO...
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Old 01-13-2011, 10:19 PM   #15 
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Look up lympsitosis (sp) that is what it remind me of...it also reminds me of tumors that can often be seen on DT that are poorly bred...goole those and see if they fit what you see

I am not sure on the paypal thing- I don't deal with aquabid or paypal to know how they work...but this fish has multi problems and I would say they started at the breeders IMO...
Ugh! It looks exactly like the start of Lymphocystis / Cauliflower Disease

Is it transmittable? -_-; I use a lot of my aquarium equipment for cleaning the tanks...my other fish look fine so far.

Since it's grown one whole millimeter in a day's time..I'm only going to assume it's going to get big fast...how big will it get...will it kill him...can I use a medical scalpel and trim it off like you would trim a cyst off of a large goldfish?

And if it does get bigger...regardless of treatment measures...if it starts to affect him..should I... (I hate saying this..) put an end to his misery?
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Old 01-13-2011, 10:45 PM   #16 
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poor fella. he has a whole book of issues, doesn't he? D: i'd e-mail the guy, and say you're in no way happy with what's happened, and that you will never buy from him again. >.>' if you're feeling especially angry, tell him you're gonna suggest no one buy from him again.

at any rate, i do hope your little fella pulls through. D: he's so cute, deformities or no.
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It is viral in nature and so yes it can be passed to other fish, however, it is hard to pass if the other fish have strong immune systems...I would not use him for breeding

Sometimes it will get really big and then open up and start oozing fluids usually white/yellow/red in color-heal up-go away-come back....sometimes they can get fairly big and impede the fish ability to swim, eat, live...etc.....depending on its location....you can manually remove it-but this in of itself can be stressful on the fish and yes, when the fish is suffering you have to do what is right by the fish......
Good luck.....poor guy has multi problems going on-give him some time, good nutrition and quiet dim lit good water quality and build his immune response and he may surprise you by fighting it off on his own.....
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It is viral in nature and so yes it can be passed to other fish, however, it is hard to pass if the other fish have strong immune systems...I would not use him for breeding

Sometimes it will get really big and then open up and start oozing fluids usually white/yellow/red in color-heal up-go away-come back....sometimes they can get fairly big and impede the fish ability to swim, eat, live...etc.....depending on its location....you can manually remove it-but this in of itself can be stressful on the fish and yes, when the fish is suffering you have to do what is right by the fish......
Good luck.....poor guy has multi problems going on-give him some time, good nutrition and quiet dim lit good water quality and build his immune response and he may surprise you by fighting it off on his own.....
*pushes plate of medium eggs with ketchup away* >.>;;

Yeah, I'm doing my best to try and see if he gets better...he's still relatively active, but I just checked on him and now he's swimming weird..still active but..it just doesn't seem *right*. Hard to explain. It's like he's swimming off-center. Not SBD funny, but just erratic and tilting about 2 mm off-center toward his side with a wound.

The ventral fins are looking duller... if I'm not mistaken, they almost look like they're dying off. They don't stick out from under his body anymore - they're wispy in nature (not size-wise, the way they flow in water) and get pulled with the mini current his pectoral fins create.

As for removing the lump, could I give him some sort of natural anesthetic? I'm not sure what they use for goldfish, but I bet whatever they use the dosage or the chemical is probably wayyyy too strong for a betta.

As for breeding...I don't think I would breed him if he arrived healthy. His fins are pretty and his colors as well, but the tail really isn't ideal and his head is a bit...small. He was just a Christmas present by my fiance =) Supporting my betta habits, ha ha.

I'll try to keep his status updated...he's just not acting normally at the moment. I'm not exactly sure what behavior shows crossing the line of suffering other than going "belly up" and/or gasping for air...is there a way to tell sooner so he doesn't start suffering and hurting before the "at death's door stage"? =/
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The displacement that is caused by the growth can sometimes cause erratic type swimming or the appearance of being off balance

As long as he is eating and able to swim without too much trouble or showing a lot of distress in general-he is most likely not suffering...if he start hiding, becoming inactive, struggling to swim, appetite loss or other symptoms that could be secondary in nature and not responding to treatment...well.....you have to use your judgment and you will know when it is time......

You never know...these guys can surprise you sometimes and bounce back...I am not a big fan of OTC medications-but you may want to try them if he seems to get worse or symptom change....I can't recommend anything as I haven't used them in over 15 years.....he is a lovely male and a shame that the breeder/seller sold him in such poor conditions......
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Old 01-16-2011, 03:25 AM   #20 
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..noticed scratching...hooray for VELVET. I used a light to shine against him...under normal light from above (fluorescent), he looks fine...but shining from the side, there's dark gold "dust" on his scales and fins...especially on his extremely damaged ventral fins..

He also has what appears to be another scale on the left side of his body near his tail that turned white...just like how his wound first started out...he's starting to become more wobbly when he swims...breathing much harder regardless of water level, epsom salt, and IAL... temp is at 79-80 degrees Fahrenheit...eye still shows no sign of improvement...it has gotten a little bigger.

Original wound is much bigger...increased size 1x1 scale...

Poop looks like little grains of dust instead of something more "solid". I have no idea what's going on.
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