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Old 04-05-2011, 12:09 AM   #1 
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early signs of swim bladder?

well after moving Acoustic from the 5 gal. to the 10 gal. he seemed fine.
Today however, he just started swimming slightly on his side. This is the
2nd time my fishes has gotten sick in the 10 gal, Acoustic was fine in his

What size is your tank? 10 gallon
What temperature is your tank? 78
Does your tank have a filter? yes
Does your tank have an air stone or other type of aeration? no
Is your tank heated? yes
What tank mates does your betta fish live with? none

What type of food do you feed your betta fish? aqua culture pellets
How often do you feed your betta fish? 2x a day, 2 pellets every time


How often do you perform a water change? a 50% once a week, and 1 100% a week.
What percentage of the water do you change when you perform a water change? a 50% once a week, and one 100% a week.

What type of additives do you add to the water when you perform a water change? Prime Water Conditioner

Water Parameters:
Have you tested your water? If so, what are the following parameters?

Ammonia: 0.25
Nitrite: 0 ppm
Nitrate: 0 ppm
pH: 7.6 - 8.2
Hardness: n/a
Alkalinity: n/a

Symptoms and Treatment
How has your betta fish's appearance changed? started to lose color and has little red spots around the head
How has your betta fish's behavior changed? started to become lethargic
When did you start noticing the symptoms? just about 40 mins
Have you started treating your fish? If so, how? Put him back in the 5 gal with water conditioner. Probably tomorrow go get some Epsom Salt.
Does your fish have any history of being ill? no
How old is your fish (approximately)? No idea
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Old 04-05-2011, 05:07 PM   #2 
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To me it looks like your 10G is not properly cycled. You may want to move your sponge from 5G to 10G tank to help your good bacteria grow and let it cycle first before moving your betta in. How long ago did you put your betta in? you may want to retest water parameters. If you using water testing strips, please note, they are not very accurate. Ammonia in un-cycled tank can build up pretty fast and can be very dangerous for your betta. What you described are signs of ammonia poisoning. (lethargic, loss of colour and appetite red streaking on body/fins). Keep him in smaller container with regular water changes until your 10G is finish cycling.
here is the link if you want to read more about cycling new aquarium

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Old 04-05-2011, 06:50 PM   #3 
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I thought no one was ever going to reply lol thanks

I used the API master test kit since i've read that test strips are
SUPER unreliable. I just bought all the things I need for cycling the tank
so that's happening right now

oh and 1 more thing, He always seems to have a really bent spine??
i got him like that after I adopted him from my dad who was keeping him
in a 1/4 gal bowl. You got any ideas what it might be??
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Old 04-06-2011, 12:18 AM   #4 
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With the note on the bent spine, I have to say this actually sounds like fish tuberculosis. I'd recommend you move him to a smaller tank, because if it's TB, then it's usually caused by a bacteria that is a pain in the behind to get rid of. Annnnnd it's usually VERY communicable, depending on the species of bacteria that's causing it. (I got this at one point in a community tank several years ago, and all of my fish but my pleco got it. And I'm still waiting for her to start showing symptoms.) Put him in his own tank, and use bleach to clean the existing tank. Replace the filter cartridge. It's a real pain. Be very careful.

My first symptom that seemed super-wierd when my fish had TB was the curved spines. It was unique. So I looked it up online... Here's some information about it.

-Crooked Spine
-Loss of Color
-Swinging/Swaying Movements when Swimming
-Can have protruding scales.
-Can have black spots on their body.
-May develop red splotches on their body, where there are lesions under the scales.
-Loss of Appetite (often described as "anorexic")
-Clamped or Folded Fins
-Sluggish Movement, Lethargy
-Staying Near the Water Line
-Eye Color Change
-Loss of Scales
-Some fish develop sores. This is really bad, as they ooze.

There's no real cure if it's TB. It's really bad, and it's communicable to humans so to be safe, use gloves when cleaning and whatnot. Some places say it can be treated with this, that, or the next medicine or antibiotic, but none of them worked for me. A vet laughed at me when I asked for the injection (which most people have luck with, costs a lot, and is usually kept for large aquariums or long-lived show fish - not tetras).

A fish is prone to getting TB if they are kept in less-than-stellar water conditions, which it seems like that .25 gallon container the fish was kept in was, unless your father emptied that thing like, at least once a day day. Poor fishy in .25 gallons. :{ This is most especially if the fish was stressed (which most fish are upon purchase and transport).

I could be super-wrong on the above diagnosis, though. I'd just be really, really, really leery. I am scared poopless of TB. It literally wiped out the tank. Literally. Absolutely petrifying how quickly, too!

Does he have any problems with swimming? Like his ability to float? If yes, it could be a problem with his swim bladder, or he might be constipated. In either case, fast him a few days and feed him small amounts of a chopped up, once-frozen-now-thawed pea.
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