Betta Fish Care  
Go Back   Betta Fish and Betta Fish Care > Betta Fish Bowls, Habitats, and Accessories
Check out the eBook Betta Fish Care Made Easy
betta fish
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 04-29-2011, 06:40 AM   #1 
jackals
New Member
 
jackals's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: North/Central NJ
Exclamation Omg what did I do?? All new tank, plants, toys... Fish almost dying? Still not 2 late

Hi guys,

I am so sad, my Betta was doing really really well. Then his light burnt out and I had got so busy I had not changed his tank water in the 2.5 gallon in almost 2.5 months.

So anyways, I wanted to treat him. I bought him a tetra 5 gallon crescent tank.

New silk plants, new gravel, new everything! Only reused the heater (25w).

Now recently I thought he started getting minor fin rot, his color had gotten cloudy/lost color a little bit... and his fin(s) were curling at the bottom. He still swam around and ate.


Now Wed night (10pm) I put 5 gallon of somewhat room temp water. I rinsed 2 bags of gravel. Added Stress Coat (blue/purple bottle) - the 1 that helps the biological filter go better), added aqueon water conditioner, and 1 tablespoon of aq salt. All the right measurements. When we 1st put him in, he was swimming around wild for a while. Seemed to be happy.

Then I noticed yesterday (2nd day in new tank, well 1.5 days since we changed it the night before).. all he would do is sit toward the bottom, in his cave, or in the middle of plants basically not moving like he is a asleep.

Last night I added an anubia, crested java fern, and a Sword of some sort - I had relatives over and COMPLETELY forgot to rinse them off thoroughly and put them in the tank.

So all last night even with his light on, all he did was sit in the plants or behind his cave barely moving. I went downstairs at 2 am and almost thought he died, he was literally at the bottom touching gravel just breathing and sitting next to his cave... i began to really worry.

Wake up this morning and he really hadn't moved just faced diff directions. The water is Cloudy!!!!! I just did a new water change Wed night at 10-11 pm EST.

So I have a 1 gallon little bowl. Filled it with similar temp water. Put in Aqueon Water conditioner, 1ml of that stress zyme or w/e it is.. but before i touched his other habitat he started darting out of nowhere in his new tank!!!! But I still took him out and put him in the 1G and hes in there.. and now he is just sitting in the bottom of there, swimming occasionally.. I put in 2 pellets and I didn't see him eat them as I am typing now, but my gf said they are gone... I guess that is good?

Anyway I don't know why new tank waater was cloudy, cause I didn't rinse plants off? AQ Salt 32 hours later ( never used before and wanted to treat the rot naturally vs the bettafix I have didnt want to use it yet)

Now for pics, pic of whole tank is from last night. In the little bowl this morning, and I got a pic of him hiding in the plant like he did last night w light on when hes usually swimming he would sit and not move.

And the 1 pic is scary - hes at bottom this morning and where he was at 2 am just diff directions sitting there.

Also I circled what is that spot on him! Hes had it for a week or so now and it got a little bigger last 30 hours...

PS in his new tank hes been flaring his gills. I am just really worried. We have had him since Mid July of last year. Hes grown a lot.. and hes been in his old tank since Mid August last year.. this tank and everything wound up getting expensive, i was so happy to treat him and now I feel I hurt him :(

Please help me before its too late














Last edited by jackals; 04-29-2011 at 06:45 AM.
jackals is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-29-2011, 06:53 AM   #2 
Burd
Member
 
Burd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Pennsylvania
I'm going to put it out there - did you cycle the tank before putting him in it or are you just doing 5 gallon water changes here and there?

There's a whole list of information that would help if you filled it out.

Quote:
Housing
What size is your tank?
What temperature is your tank?
Does your tank have a filter?
Does your tank have an air stone or other type of aeration?
Is your tank heated?
What tank mates does your betta fish live with?

Food
What type of food do you feed your betta fish?
How often do you feed your betta fish?

Maintenance
How often do you perform a water change?
What percentage of the water do you change when you perform a water change?
What type of additives do you add to the water when you perform a water change?

Water Parameters:
Have you tested your water? If so, what are the following parameters?

Ammonia:
Nitrite:
Nitrate:
pH:
Hardness:
Alkalinity:

Symptoms and Treatment
How has your betta fish's appearance changed?
How has your betta fish's behavior changed?
When did you start noticing the symptoms?
Have you started treating your fish? If so, how?
Does your fish have any history of being ill?
How old is your fish (approximately)?
Burd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-29-2011, 07:34 AM   #3 
jackals
New Member
 
jackals's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: North/Central NJ
Quote:
Originally Posted by Burd View Post
I'm going to put it out there - did you cycle the tank before putting him in it or are you just doing 5 gallon water changes here and there?

There's a whole list of information that would help if you filled it out.

I did respond with a lot of that info:

5g
77 degrees
Filter is tetra whisper the 10i I believe that comes with the tetra crescents
heater 25 watt hydor
only fish - 10 months of ownership almost, and probably 3to 5 at Walmart

Food:
NLS betta pellets (2 morning, evening)


Brand new tank came and I did completely new water change
added: aw salt to treat fin rot I believe he has.. 1 tablespoon for 5g, aqueon water cond 25 ml for 5 g, and the API StressZyme 5ml for 5g.

Forgot to rinse silk plants, and 3 live plants - Water is cloudy this morning after 30 hrs of running brand new.

Now before this tank, he was in 2.5g.. water hadnt been changed in 2.5 months.. it had gravel filter. w 25 watt heater... water temp 78-80 degrees. ------------ He lost some color and believe minor fin rot.. hence new tank bc his old 1 light died. and i also saw a week or so ago he formed that thing i circled.

Never was sick before in 10 months, very healthy and happy, with often bubblenests.

Fish now doesnt move much, see pics above, thought he was dead this morning.

he is moving more in his 1g quarantine tank...w new water, and additives i altered to work for 1g.

Symptoms of him hiding in plants (see pic above) started late the 1st night.. not much movement, sitting still like sleeping.. within 2 hrs of new tank.. only gotten worse... new live plants go in last night and water is cloudy now.

I have bettafix, didnt add it yet, wanted aw salt to see if naturally it could fix him w better water.

I have a whole $30 water testing kit. When I get home I am going to test it and post up what it says from the results...


however from what i described in detail here... cloudy water, didnt rinse plants, etc... and how he looks, and how i described him (past 3 weeks his color diminished... however he still ate everyday and swam alot till recently...)


Please help. he is seem to be doing better in the quarantine tank (somewhat) and he did eat 2 NLS pellets.
jackals is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-29-2011, 07:45 AM   #4 
DarkMoon17
Member
 
DarkMoon17's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: MA and MO
The cloudiness in the 5 gallon was because you did not cycle it. There are a number of ways to cycle tanks, you can look it up easily on google.

You shouldn't add "stress zyme" to bowls, it is for cycling/maintaining tanks with filters. It contains bacteria. It shouldn't hurt him but it is not necessary for a bowl.

I've heard Bettafix is no good. It is basically just watered down Maracyn products. I'm not sure what the spot is, but he could use some salt, daily water changes and TLC.
Good luck with him :)
DarkMoon17 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-29-2011, 08:22 AM   #5 
jackals
New Member
 
jackals's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: North/Central NJ
Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkMoon17 View Post
The cloudiness in the 5 gallon was because you did not cycle it. There are a number of ways to cycle tanks, you can look it up easily on google.

You shouldn't add "stress zyme" to bowls, it is for cycling/maintaining tanks with filters. It contains bacteria. It shouldn't hurt him but it is not necessary for a bowl.

I've heard Bettafix is no good. It is basically just watered down Maracyn products. I'm not sure what the spot is, but he could use some salt, daily water changes and TLC.
Good luck with him :)

For the AQ salt I gave right amount for the 5g tank. Should I add AQ salt for the bowl he is in..? If so how much..

You said daily water changes. Should I keep him in the bowl for this as its easier until he is healthier?

Also do you recommend a full cleaning of the 5g tank? IE rinsing silk plants hot water, rinsing live plants with room temp water, and rinsing gravel and tank with HOT HOT Water?

Should I rinse the bio bag under water? I didnt do that to begin with? Does that need to be rinsed off /cleaned with hot water?

Last edited by jackals; 04-29-2011 at 08:25 AM.
jackals is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-29-2011, 08:31 AM   #6 
Oldfishlady
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: USA
How did you acclimate him from the old 2.5gal to the new 5gal tank.....
Oldfishlady is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-29-2011, 08:37 AM   #7 
jackals
New Member
 
jackals's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: North/Central NJ
Quote:
Originally Posted by Oldfishlady View Post
How did you acclimate him from the old 2.5gal to the new 5gal tank.....

Put in the products I stated, and got the temps to almost match, and picked him with net and put him in.

I can tell you the old 2.5 gallon tank wasn't in the best shape.. I mean liek I said it hadn't been changed in about 2.5 months... but I guess he was use to it, so even giving him all new stuff it disrupted him?

But I noticed the spot on him about a week or so ago, and he had become a little less lively even in his 2.5 gallon once his light died about 2.5-3 weeks ago.

I probably am going to rinse everything with hot water and start over and i am going to use this link:

http://www.bettafish.com/showthread....ght=cycle+tank

anyone have a better link for cycling?

I have 3 live plants (crested java fern, anubia, and a sword)

I knew something was wrong last night at 2 am and then this morning at 7 am... he was literally (refer to pic) laying on the gravel not moving. Once i saw that I got him out of the tank and he is in 1g now with aqueon water conditioner, and water is probably a touch warmer then room temp but will probably cool since its sitting in the kitchen area.

Should I clean everything tonight like I said and then add him back? or keep him in the 1G for a week or 2 with daily 100% water changes with just water conditioner and a little salt in his bowl.

For a bowl how much salt should I add? its your typical fish bowl, maybe .70 gallons to 1 gallon?
jackals is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-29-2011, 08:51 AM   #8 
Oldfishlady
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: USA
What it sounds like to me is a nitrate and/or pH shock......when you move a fish from a neglected tank that most likely had high nitrates and low pH and place them in fresh clean water that doesn't have nitrate and your normal pH from the source water.....this can shock the system....usually within 12-24h the fish will start to get sick and usually die.....Bettas are tough fish and can sometimes tolerate these shifts a little better than other species of fish.....

Its important to acclimate the fish to both water temp and water chemistry when new and when moving from neglected water to clean water slowly by adding small amount of the new water to the holding container over a period of time....

Right now I would keep him QT in the small container and start 50% daily water changes...if you want to use any treatment I would use Epsom salt 2tsp/gal and tannins......good luck....
Oldfishlady is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-29-2011, 09:14 AM   #9 
jackals
New Member
 
jackals's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: North/Central NJ
Quote:
Originally Posted by Oldfishlady View Post
What it sounds like to me is a nitrate and/or pH shock......when you move a fish from a neglected tank that most likely had high nitrates and low pH and place them in fresh clean water that doesn't have nitrate and your normal pH from the source water.....this can shock the system....usually within 12-24h the fish will start to get sick and usually die.....Bettas are tough fish and can sometimes tolerate these shifts a little better than other species of fish.....

Its important to acclimate the fish to both water temp and water chemistry when new and when moving from neglected water to clean water slowly by adding small amount of the new water to the holding container over a period of time....

Right now I would keep him QT in the small container and start 50% daily water changes...if you want to use any treatment I would use Epsom salt 2tsp/gal and tannins......good luck....
He is tough! And I agree almost maybe with the shock, cause he would not move. I think you say 50% water changes to keep stability in the tank for him with "older water" and kind of getting it more dirty so to speak to get him what he is "use to".

When you say get "sick" is there a specific sickness caused from this? I don't have epsom salt, but the API AQ salt.. how much of that for every gallon, and what is tannins?


Thank you so much for your help.


PS. I would guess its a good sign he ate the 2 pellets this morning.
jackals is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-29-2011, 01:44 PM   #10 
jackals
New Member
 
jackals's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: North/Central NJ
girlfriend left around 12:45 pm EST and he was doing better then when I left. When i left he was primarily sitting at bottom not moving. So 90% not moving, 10% moving.

At 12:45 he was 35% or so moving, and 65% sitting at bottom... (i take this as a good sign? Also he ate his food from this morning right before I left this morning his food was gone).

He is in the .75-1 gallon bowl right now with fresh water (room temp around 70 degrees since I cant heat the bowl).

Anyone else agree that I probably shocked him from "crap" water pardon my language with high and low ph, nitrite, etc.. to a balanced new tank and he is like this.

Also, why did the new tank get cloudy? What should I do to the new tank, so I can get him back in there?

Thanks for everyones help, its nice I have this place forum that I share good times, and also times I need help.
jackals is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Plants, Toys & Fish-games giypsy Betta Fish Care 10 10-09-2009 04:45 PM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:43 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.