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Old 01-03-2012, 07:20 PM   #31 
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Didn't someone send a fish off to be autopsied in one of the threads and it came back as flexibacter? Whatever it is, it looks nasty. One of my bettas started necrosing around the tips of his caudal, and in less than 12 hours, had to be euthanised. I felt awful as there wasn't really anything I could do.

I hate fish diseases. Half the time they're hard to really accurately diagnose and hard to treat. Plus fish are great at pretending to be hale and hearty until it's generally too late to do much of anything.
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Old 01-03-2012, 07:20 PM   #32 
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It's probably one of a million possible different things. We KNOW columnaris can cause tissue necrosis, a virus is another possibility, it's highly unlikely that this is one specific illness however. Most likely it's a number of different ones that just happen to show the same necrosis.
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Old 01-03-2012, 07:24 PM   #33 
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No. I get and can respect that you're friends with Sena, but frankly you trying to pull down a thread just because the OP cant come back on here and talk it out (and thereby lessening the amount of issues) is no reason to call a stop to it. If Sena wants it closed, close it, Sena.

I'm a little tired of everyone being "its ok, guys! Lets just not discuss."

No, this is an issue and normally too much griping comes into play before it can be addressed. She put it out here, so let's talk it out.

And if youre referring to the clapping thing, take another look. It's an attempt at lightening up a serious thread. Take what you can get.
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Old 01-03-2012, 07:38 PM   #34 
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Regardless, most people dont know that (even if it is true, though I dont think that was the thought until you said it, Sakura), and most people will think it.

People need concise, factual information. They need to develop their own opinions. Shoving the fact that "breeders" (et. al) gave their fish that "mystery disease" (tissue necrosis) onto a person is confusing!

If you dont know it dont post it! Argh! I cant stand when people do things like this! I cant!

Between this, the "mystery disease" business and that dang acrylic tank bit, nothing said of yet is backed by anything close to factual evidence. None of it.

You complain and complain about people getting on you about things like this, but have you yet wondered, maybe they have a point? I dont get people riding my rear about things, because I only say what I know. And if I dont know it, then dangit, I dont say it.

Its one thing to speculate with people on a higher level in the hobby about things one is uncertain of. It's how we learn. But to spit in a new hobbyist's face in such a way as to give out bad information when others who would tell you otherwise is both irresponsible and selfish.


Listen for a moment and really look at people's reactions. Look who fawns over you and look who scorns. Those who know little and those who have experience.

Who is in your favor? Think about it and actually post things you are certain of!!

Its things like this that put me in a bad spot. I try hard and literally research everything that I can. Always. I dont get ahead of myself. And yet there are many who would like to front me and null all my hard work in an effort to distribute poor and lacking information. Im not bashing you, Im bashing what you do.


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This kind of thing is why I stopped coming on here in the first place.

The thing is you give poor info, Sena. Not all of it, some info makes sense- but a lot just doesn't.

If you don't know a lot about the subject, then don't post. It's really simple. I understand people want to help, so they attempt to help by posting information they got by "he said she said" but its not factual. You want to post, then welcome a person to the forum, bump their thread so they can get info, PM someone who has the knowledge. But don't post if you don't know anything!

As example, Pew3 is amazing with plants. We all know she has spent countless hours on researching plants (not just a quick google to find an answer for a poster either, but HOURS) as well as personal experience. I believe she has like three fully planted tanks? And she has helped countless other people with their tanks (including me). Do you see her posting in the medical threads? No, because maybe she doesn't know.

In most cases you do more harm than good by posting when you know nothing about the problem.

Personally, I found this video stupid. No offense, I understand you worked hard on it and all that, but that's what I thought of it. I agree with Hotpokkit or whoever lol, its gonna do more harm than good.

Like the little story about that fish and how it was the breeders fault. How do you KNOW it was the breeders fault? You don't. It could have been something you did, most cases it is. You don't know anything about pet store breeders. Do you specifically know your pet store's breeder is overbreeding their bettas resulting in genetic and immune weaknesses?
In most cases its the pet store's fault that the bettas are sick, not the breeders. Think about it, the betta is with the breeder for a few months, shipped to the store in a few days tops. Spends weeks in dirty, unchanged water at the store. Whose fault is it when the betta dies? The stores. Not the breeders.
If it was the breeders fault, in most cases the disease would have become apparent at a young age (the first few months of its life) as a genetic defect, not 8 months + into its life.

Its not rescuing a betta if you buy it. It's not. Rescuing an animal is removing an animal from a situation unsuitable for living while not encouraging the situation to continue. By buying the bettas you are encouraging the situation to continue. Yes, you may make a difference in one bettas life, but if you really want to make a difference don't support those stores at all, or fight for a change in a productive way such as petitions. I know that what is and isn't rescuing a betta is a controversial subject though, so I don't expect much from this.

I know you've put a lot of time into your site as well, but a lot of it is again, information you don't know specifically, just "he said she said".
Your "Bowl vs tank" section says you will explain how to cope with the tank size you have, yet all you do is diss the small sizes. You don't really explain that although small is not ideal, nor recommended for multiple reason, it can be done with very frequent water changes. A round bowl distorting the image of the fish is not a reason to rule out a bowl, btw. In that section you just show a bunch of pictures with random bouts of sarcasm that actually aren't that sarcastic as I've actually seen you use these containers yourself, and have seen you suggest them to others. Also, the background is EXTREMELY distracting, just thought you should know :/

Honestly, I find this rescue thing kind of stupid. You are BUYING fish and then reselling them (for an "adoption fee"). I can go out and buy fish and resell them too. Means I'm starting a rescue I guess .
If you want to start a rescue, find bettas from people who already own them and are not taking care of them and then find them new homes. Take a small adoption fee to cover costs if you need to, although there won't be many as bettas are extremely cheap to keep.
Being COMPLETELY honest as well, most of the bettas that end up sick and dying at stores are veiltails. Most of your "customers" will probably be members of this forum. How many people are going to be willing to pay $16+ in shipping for a veiltail that they can get at the petstore for $3.99?
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Old 01-03-2012, 08:10 PM   #35 
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No. I get and can respect that you're friends with Sena, but frankly you trying to pull down a thread just because the OP cant come back on here and talk it out (and thereby lessening the amount of issues) is no reason to call a stop to it. If Sena wants it closed, close it, Sena.

I'm a little tired of everyone being "its ok, guys! Lets just not discuss."

No, this is an issue and normally too much griping comes into play before it can be addressed. She put it out here, so let's talk it out.

And if youre referring to the clapping thing, take another look. It's an attempt at lightening up a serious thread. Take what you can get.
Pew, I'm just trying to avoid a fight is all. You're tired of everyone being "It's okay guys! Let's just not discuss." I'm tired of everything turning into a fight.
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So am I.Can't we just discuss things without everyone getting their panties in a wad? Sena means well and her heart is in the right place. Can't we give her credit for that at least?
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Panties in a wad. Good one, DQ. :)
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Can't we give her credit for that at least?





...lol I kid.
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Old 01-03-2012, 08:41 PM   #39 
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...lol I kid.

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I'M sick of people giving out bad advice.
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No one is fighting. We're trying to voice concerns so that misinformation can be corrected.
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