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Copper Breeders?

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#1 ·
Hello, everyone.

I'm thinking about getting into breeding in a few years, and I guess you could say that I'm going to take the time between now and then to do my research. Right now, I'm thinking about developing a either a line of copper multis or coppers with purple.

Are there any breeders on this forum who work with coppers?
 
#2 ·
I don't think copper with purple is possible. Possibilities ; copper with red fins, copper based but more red on body and fins, black/dark copper, greenish copper, yellow/gold copper, pure/silver copper ....... all metallic based colors, often crossed to dragons.

IMO the copper gene (or whatever) is now fixed/stronger in the sense that when you cross copper to green/blue you would get coppers as well as - green/turquoise, green metallic (a shiny light green), blue and metallic blue. And if you cross them to red, you would still have solid coppers, coppers with red fins..... not sure about reds (I've never mixed copper to red).

IMO, since you're just beginning, get a pair with colors you like. Don't experiment or think about creating something new because you'll end up with more than you can handle.
 
#3 · (Edited)
I don't think copper with purple is possible.

Wrong. It is possible.












I have 9 fish of Super delta X half moon metallic copper line.

7 females and two males above are Agent 11 agent 11 and agent 88
male and female 5 month old.

the other colours from this line are red fins and bronze:
Original picture of Fredric:


recent picture


Rayne:
original picture:



Recent picture:




other from this line:

Lexi



Cinder



Caela^

Bronxie VV


Ailie VV
 
#4 ·
oh, ok. I stand corrected.
I call that copper with red. And the later fish to be copper with red fins. Anyway, generally speaking, I've seen green combine with copper. But never blue - They always turn into something I wouldn't call blue or purple.
 
#5 ·
these are 5 months old and only two have had colour changes Rayne from white to yellow and freddy went purple and red to bronze and red. noone else has changed and prob wont
 
#6 ·
copper purple:


copper with red:


theres clear differences in purple and red.
 
#8 ·
yeh i dunno hey its purple kinda lavender kinda purple and black and theres the copper hints PRETTY fish though
 
#11 ·
welll if u ever get sick of looking at him give me a hollar id be happy to look at him a while ;)
 
#19 ·
my "shiny" nine come from the sawn titled
Super delta x half moon metallic copper

some have the sd trait some have hm trait and the ladies are begining to crown even. some have metallic colour others have copper colour Rayne took a cmplete different direction and become yellow with clear fins.


**NB: Rayne is showing signs of marbling out...silly lady
 
#14 ·
my copper metallics are out of a red/white black dragon vt and a hm solid black female. and i give my fish their proper titles ie:

Pippin: masked red and white cambodian butterfly veil tail

the 7 metalic line girls are actually
*insert particular colour* metallic copper superdelta x halfmoon crowntail female
 
#15 ·
yes it can be a mouthful but thats their breed not just a red and white fish.
 
#27 ·
Soooooo. Are there any breeders currently working with coppers? And when I'm talking about purple with copper, I mean something like these:
I'm not currently working with anything since my water source is somehow deadly to them. But had worked with those kind of coppers (I don't call them purple) - dark coppers - for 3 years.

GienahClarette : My reality has been shattered.
Why? What do you want to achieve? You haven't pointed out any specific question.

1fish2fish : Its a matter of opinion. I really don't consider any fish truly purple because it doesn't breed true. There are fish I consider "purpley" like my multi BF bowie
I agree - there are no true purple. In fact it is believed to be impossible (I forgot the explanation). I call your multi blue with red fins. People give new names to their color line..... confusing.

YoshesMom : I have a copper crowntail in most lights he looks silver/steel grey but if he hits the light just right hes greeny and sometimes a purpleish but mostly hes copper/silver
This is what I love about coppers - they look different from different angles/lighting.

Abby : URGH my fish are all changing colours!
This is what I hate about marble or what ever with its character. You're happy with a certain pattern, then they change.....
 
#23 ·
Its a matter of opinion. I really don't consider any fish truly purple because it doesn't breed true. There are fish I consider "purpley" like my multi BF bowie



but still not really purple.

Copper has a tendency to look purple under certain types of light IME.
 
#26 ·
URGH my fish are all changing colours!
 
#28 ·
I was actually kidding about my reality being shattered. I guess I should have put a smiley face in there to make that clearer. Mostly, I'm just hoping to speak to someone with experience with coppers so I can learn about copper genetics, mixing coppers with other colors, or any problems that come with breeding them.
 
#29 ·
Ask away. I'll answer what I know. Keep in mind that I seldom mix until recently, specially to reds. I usually mix them with green because (IMO) they produce better metallics than blue (besides I hold some myths concerning blue).

Recently I tried mixing with yellow/gold and yellow dragon. The dragon mix produced confusing outcomes. I got marbling - fish changed from copper, pale/fleshy, now sort of reddish. I also came up with black which was never in my line. Unfortunately I lost most of them due to my water. I have to start over - but copper is hard to find. I'm now using a black dragon and hope will get some copper in offspring.
 
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