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Old 05-14-2012, 08:40 AM   #1 
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Lost Scale or something worse?

Poor Indigo. Rachel and I accidentally turned his tank into swampwater, and as I was changing it Friday night, I bumped him with the cup I was using (curious betta, always gotta see what's happening!).

I noticed a pale patch on his back Saturday morning (not fuzzy or anything), but had to take the kids to a class. When we got home, it was dark colored. Here is the picture from Saturday about noon:

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I ran out that afternoon and got Aquarium Salt and a better heater, one that lets you set the temp. By that evening, I had his tank cleaned (hot water and salt), the new heater put in, and AQ salt treated water ready. I put the temp up to 80.

But it doesn't look any better to me this morning, it actually looks worse. Is there a worse before better stage if it's a lost scale, or is this something more alarming (and if so, how do I treat it?!?) How long does it normally take to see improvement?

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Help please!

2.5 gallon tank
50 watt heater with temp setting (currently 80)
unfiltered
took out his live plant and snail while using the AQ salt
food: Omega One betta buffet with an occasional damp FD Bloodworm

Current treatment:
warmer water
1/2 tsp AQ salt per gallon
little extra API stress coat with water changes
quickstart with water changes
half strength dose of betta fix given last night
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Old 05-14-2012, 09:12 AM   #2 
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I'm not sure what it is, but you could try this site:

Http://www.Bettatalk.com
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Old 05-14-2012, 10:15 AM   #3 
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The fuzz could be slime coat, which is alright.

Or, yes it could be worse.

How big is the tank?

Did you dissolve the salt before adding?

How much salt did you add?
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Old 05-14-2012, 10:41 AM   #4 
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Yes, I dissolved the salt in hot water, let that cool a bit, added it to the new water for a change, stirred it around well to disperse. With decorations and such, the tank is about 2 gallons, so that's what I'm gauging doses on.

He was hanging out in his fluffy plant this morning, didn't seem as active as normal.

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2.5 gallon tank
50 watt heater with temp setting (currently 80)
unfiltered
took out his live plant and snail while using the AQ salt
food: Omega One betta buffet with an occasional damp FD Bloodworm

Current treatment:
warmer water
1/2 tsp AQ salt per gallon
little extra API stress coat with water changes
quickstart with water changes
half strength dose of betta fix given last night
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Old 05-14-2012, 10:49 AM   #5 
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Betta fix is diluted, won't do much other than maybe damage the labrynth organ. I don't like using anything with "fix" in the name.

I'm wondering if it could be columnaris. Did it look like a missing scale? Or not? And when did you clean the tank last before you did this recent clean?
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Old 05-14-2012, 11:21 AM   #6 
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Did a 100% change Wednesday, and put in new gravel at that time (Dark betta, blended into the black gravel my daughter picked originally for the frogs). And since we changed that, I made a mistake and put in a algae disc for the snail (I figured we'd just removed most of what he would normally eat). It was obviously way too much for that tank, and while I didn't notice much Thursday, by Friday his water was pretty badly mucked up, which is why I was changing it again on Friday when I bumped him with the water change cup.

I had read Betta fix was an antiseptic which seemed like a good idea for my diagnosis of missing scale, but if it will hurt him, I won't use anymore.

I haven't had any of the other boys bang themselves up or get banged up by anything, so I don't actually know what a missing betta scale looks like. Based on being bonked by the cup, it seemed the most likely scenario.

Warming up the water seems like a good thing for a bunged scale, but bad for columnaris, and he *has* seemed to feel less well since I turned up the heater.
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Old 05-14-2012, 01:18 PM   #7 
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See if you can't get Stress Coat and garlic juice to soak his pellets in. This'll help with the immune system. I suggest cleaning every day, to see if this helps. If it dares spread, or he gets worse, lower the temperature and predissolve 3 teaspoons of AQUARIUM salt, then add slowly through the day.

My sorority had gotten columnaris strain, and it was different than the columnaris I was used to, and all were quarantined in 74-76 degrees water for 3 weeks, with aquarium salt and every day cleaning.
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The water is at 80F right now - should I drop it down to 75ish?
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I wouldn't just yet... if anything bring it to 78 so it is easier to bring it even lower if you need to.
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Old 05-15-2012, 09:00 AM   #10 
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I think he's on the mend! He was more active this morning, and even danced a little when I showed him the food jar. It might just be wishful thinking, but I think the injury spot is looking smaller today too. Thank you Sena for the advice and helping me not panic I'll keep up treatment till it's all better, but I think/hope we are headed in the right direction!

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