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Old 05-20-2012, 03:52 PM   #11 
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after reading all that i come up with a few things...

"As a summer job" - it may be 3 months before you can sell them, and at a likely price of $15 per fish or less, you're not going to make a lot of money. Especially if you're new, as in not a known name breeder.

foods: Inforsia once free swimming for a week or so, then onto MW/ BBS and at another week or two maybe daphnia. MW are the cheapest as it's a live culture that is easy to care for so you can buy a starter really cheap. MW however can decay and affect the ventrals so i would not feed primarily. BBS are probably the most expensive, and care-intensive as you have to set up a couple hatcheries to hatch the eggs, but it's about the most effective once you have it going.

In addition to those there are also Vinegar eels, Walter worms, Banana worms, and grindal worms that you can buy cultures of and raise. They say worms make for bigger and faster growth.


Trying to limit the # of fry you are going to find difficult. she may drop 15 eggs after a single embrace, and you have to be lucky enough to catch them in the act, and then trying to grab her at that point may disturb the eggs/nest. Then there's the question of how many eggs dropped develop into wigglers, how many wigglers develop into fry, and then how many fry make it to adulthood. That's why they have so many eggs. Also you have no way to know that the 15 you let be born will have the qualities to make them worth selling/buying.

fry can live with each other up to 3 months, maybe more. it all depends on their temperament. Most of my spawn was jarred at 2 months. the runts still live together another month later.

Water changes... Size and health depend greatly upon this. I left the water for the first couple of weeks, after that it was 25% every 3 days or less trying to be careful not to suck fry up (you will anyway, it happens) after about a month i went up to 50% every 2 or 3 days.

Personally I was pretty lucky in my spawn. All made it to adulthood, and most of them are breeding quality (I don't think any except 3 of the 40 i've sold were for pets) and i've made probably just enough to recoup my initial investment, and not really going to be much over that when all is said and done.
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Old 05-20-2012, 03:57 PM   #12 
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Ugh.. jars are expensive too.. now I really have no idea what to do..
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Old 05-20-2012, 04:49 PM   #13 
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Well, I'm going to be using these:
http://www.aquabid.com/cgi-bin/aucti...005&1337958002

I won't need heaters since it gets pretty hot in Pennsylvania, about 82 to 90 degrees daily in the summer, sometimes even up to 95 degrees. Even in late August or early September it is still about 75 to 80 degrees. I'm getting $100 on the first of the month, and I have $5 on me right now, so I will have a total of $105. I'm going to be buying cups, two bettas, microworms, 10 gallon tank, three sponge filters, air pump, indian almond leaves, etc.. My prices are as below:
Cups: $15 - http://www.aquabid.com/cgi-bin/aucti...005&1337958002
Two bettas (going to have to use PetSmart ones): $10
Microworms (culture on Amazon): Only $1 - http://www.amazon.com/Live-Microworm...7546950&sr=8-2
Sponge Filters: $10 - http://www.amazon.com/Aquarium-Bioch...547058&sr=1-10
10 Gallon Tank: $25 - http://www.amazon.com/OCEANIC-SYSTEM...7547089&sr=1-8
Air pump: $7 - http://www.amazon.com/gp/cart/view-u...9TVXHB0URB%2C1
Indian Almond Leaves: $2 - http://www.amazon.com/Indian-Almond-...7547152&sr=8-2

Comes to about $85 with shipping. Already have TetraMin mini floating pellets.

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Old 05-20-2012, 05:33 PM   #14 
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Building a barrack takes a little investing, time & patients to set up. I'm still building mine from last summer cause I'm still trying to figure out the pipe lines and I'm building it from scratch. There are no instruction manual when building your barracks, it takes a lot of study to build your own system. Unless your rich and have a professional tank specialist set in up for you. So far I've invested almost $1,200 in a my system, The lighting and filtration system will grab you by your pocket the most and that's not including the electric & utility bill...
I agree, expensive expensive expensive. Luckily I will be well able to afford the costs of everything, and I will have the assistance of my amazing man and his skills in construction and wiring. xD I've gotten instructions from several breeders on their setups, and have found the most efficient route for me. Definitely not for everyone, but for us breeders who require the best organization and efficiency as possible, its a crucial installment. Luckily I have a while to continue planning.
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Ugh.. jars are expensive too.. now I really have no idea what to do..
I buy one gallon square plastic jars from walmart for 3 bucks each. They have the quart size for about 2. You have to be consistant and buy out their entire stock then wait for them to restock.... In Thailand I see them using 2 liter pop bottles with the tops cut off for cheap jars.

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Two bettas (going to have to use PetSmart ones): $10
Well, there goes any profit... You will never sell petsmart 5 dollar bettas... Best you will do is trade them to petsmart for fishfood credit.


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Well, there goes any profit... You will never sell petsmart 5 dollar bettas... Best you will do is trade them to petsmart for fishfood credit.


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Really? Even if they're nice crowntails? I would buy from AquaBid if shipping wasn't $30. :(
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To get quality you have to breed quality. :/ it ends up being less expensive in the end for you, because breeding pet store bettas results in offspring that you can only give away, or have to continue housing permanently. Breeding quality results in offspring that other breeders will buy, so long as they have good form and genetics. You don't know the genetic history of a pet store fish, so you never know what you're going to get and it often results in deformed, runty fry.
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To get quality you have to breed quality. :/ it ends up being less expensive in the end for you, because breeding pet store bettas results in offspring that you can only give away, or have to continue housing permanently. Breeding quality results in offspring that other breeders will buy, so long as they have good form and genetics. You don't know the genetic history of a pet store fish, so you never know what you're going to get and it often results in deformed, runty fry.
Dang... I need more time to get more money, then it will be colder, I'm going to have heating issues... ugh..
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Betta breeding is expensive, unfortunately no way around it. :/
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