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Old 06-11-2012, 03:43 PM   #1 
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Help my Betta!

This is my Betta Fish Paul. He's been having some trouble lately. I tested the water recently and the ammonia was too high in the tank. I've been doing frequent water changes since. Today I did a 100% water change and I've had him floating in the bigger one gallon tank in a smaller container. I am hoping this 100% change will really help him out but I'm worried something else is wrong as well. I noticed he has a white line running down his back now and I don't know what it is. He also hasn't been eating lately. His tank is a smaller filtered 1 gallon tank. He has two plants, one of them fake and another real one which seems to be doing great. I have the water heated to 78 degrees as well. What could be wrong with him? And what do I do if this water change doesn't make everything better? If he got sick from the high ammonia levels is this it? Anything would be helpful. Thanks
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Old 06-11-2012, 03:45 PM   #2 
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How often do you do water changes in the one gallon tank?
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Old 06-11-2012, 05:09 PM   #3 
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I've been changing it a lot over the past couple weeks ever since the test came up with high ammonia. Mostly a little more than 50% changes.
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Old 06-11-2012, 05:46 PM   #4 
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Can you fill this out so maybe people can see what is wrong

Housing
What size is your tank?
What temperature is your tank?
Does your tank have a filter?
Does your tank have an air stone or other type of aeration?
Is your tank heated?
What tank mates does your betta fish live with?

Food
What type of food do you feed your betta fish?
How often do you feed your betta fish?

Maintenance
How often do you perform a water change?
What percentage of the water do you change when you perform a water change?
What type of additives do you add to the water when you perform a water change?

Water Parameters:
Have you tested your water? If so, what are the following parameters?

Ammonia:
Nitrite:
Nitrate:
pH:
Hardness:
Alkalinity:

Symptoms and Treatment
How has your betta fish's appearance changed?
How has your betta fish's behavior changed?
When did you start noticing the symptoms?
Have you started treating your fish? If so, how?
Does your fish have any history of being ill?
How old is your fish (approximately)?
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Old 06-11-2012, 07:43 PM   #5 
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Housing
What size is your tank? 1 gallon
What temperature is your tank? 78 degrees
Does your tank have a filter? yes
Does your tank have an air stone or other type of aeration? no
Is your tank heated? yes
What tank mates does your betta fish live with? just a small plant

Food
What type of food do you feed your betta fish? bio gold betta food
How often do you feed your betta fish? every day at least once

Maintenance
How often do you perform a water change? about once a week, a lot more often since i've noticed he is not doing well.
What percentage of the water do you change when you perform a water change? 50-75%
What type of additives do you add to the water when you perform a water change? splendid betta complete water conditioner.

Water Parameters:
Have you tested your water? If so, what are the following parameters? I have petco do it every once in a while. recently they told me my ammonia and nitrate/ite are high. I believe they also said pH was high

Ammonia:
Nitrite:
Nitrate:
pH:
Hardness:
Alkalinity:

Symptoms and Treatment
How has your betta fish's appearance changed? He's not quite as colorful
How has your betta fish's behavior changed? Yes, he spends all his time at the bottom of the tank only occasionally coming up for air and food. More recently he doesn't really eat at all.
When did you start noticing the symptoms? within the past two weeks.
Have you started treating your fish? If so, how? I've done multiple water changes and a complete water change today. I also bought an acrylic tank manufacturing bottle of nitrifying bacteria to help cycle the tank as well as an ammonia detoxifier to help lower the ammonia levels.
Does your fish have any history of being ill? He has been ill in the past but usually he has gotten better. It's never been this bad before.
How old is your fish (approximately)? I've had him for almost 9 months now.

I put pictures at the beginning of the thread. He seems particularly stressed out after the last water change. He has consistently been breathing very heavily for the past two weeks. I think it was the ammonia levels so i've been trying to bring them down but he doesn't seem to be getting better.
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Old 06-11-2012, 07:51 PM   #6 
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Sounds like ammonia poisoning to me... In a one gallon tank the water needs to be changed twice weekly once 50% and another time 100%. I know the people at the pet stores tell you otherwise. But one gallon is so small that it builds up ammonia very quickly.

I think the best thing to do is continue water changes Im not sure how often I have never dealt with ammonia poisoning before so im hoping someone else will jump in and help out
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Old 06-11-2012, 10:21 PM   #7 
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I agree with everything Karebear wrote. Unfortunately with ammonia poisoning they don't recover every time.
Since you been doing frequent water changes i would still continue to do 100% daily water changed. I would not use nitrifying bacteria for now, you don't need it now since you do daily water changes. When you change his water make sure his new water +-2* as his water. You can put dechlorinator in the one gall jug and let it stay overnight , this way water is the same temperature as he already in.
Good luck , keep us update.
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Old 06-12-2012, 12:52 AM   #8 
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I have dealt with it a few times thanks to walmart and petco's awsome water changing skills

The worst factor in ammonia poisoning is that elevated ammonia can't be seen. Although the effects can be seen, they are often misunderstood or missed entirely until it is too late. Regular water testing to detect elevated ammonia, and learning what symptoms to look for go a long ways towards combatting this invisible fish killer.Symptoms:

  • Fish gasp for breath at the water surface
  • Purple or red gills
  • Fish is lethargic
  • Loss of appetite
  • Fish lays at the bottom of the tank
  • Red streaking on the fins or body
Ammonia poisoning can happen suddenly, or over a period of days. Initially the fish may be seen gasping at the surface for air. The gills will begin to turn red or lilac in color, and may appear to be bleeding. The fish will being to lose its appetite and become increasingly lethargic. In some cases fish may be observed laying at the bottom of the tank with clamped fins.

As the damage from the ammonia poisoning continues, the tissues will be damaged as evidenced by red streaks or bloody patches that appear on the body and fins. Internal damage is occurring to the brain, organs, and central nervous system. The fish begins to hemorrhage internally and externally, and eventually dies.

Ammonia becomes more toxic when the PH is high. I don't know the chemistry behind it though.

Did petco tell you what, exactly the reading were? also, they use test strips when they test the water and they are hard to read and usually not very accuate. If you can, purchase the API ammonia liquid test kit - its much better then test strips.

What I did was:
I put him in a cup and floated him in a tank with a heater. I used a milk jug and had it filled with water, and Amquel plus (which is supposed to help with ammonia poisioning). Since my fish was so weak, I used a syringe to take out poop and debris and then replaced it with water from the milk jug.
This betta was laying on the bottom of his cup, rapid gill movement, had an ammonia level of 8.0 and couldn't swim.

He looked like this when i got him from walmart

about a week later




and now he is perfectly healthy
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Old 06-12-2012, 09:18 AM   #9 
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So you just sat him in a cup that you floated in your heated tank? I was doing that yesterday but I moved him back in the tank. Also I am currently using Amquel plus! Hopefully that helps. Maybe i'll move him back to the cup and float him again.
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Old 06-12-2012, 11:19 AM   #10 
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hey i am sorry but i didn't have chance to read what Tikibirds wrote i am at work and really overwhelmed.

But yesterday at night after i wrote my response i was thinking that tictac380 betta will really benefit from the aquarium salt. I texted 2 people , didn't know who will response first and i was right. I am going to put for you response from 2 knowledgeable people.

And i would really advice you to pre mix 2 tsp/gall of the aquarium salt. Take one gall jug from the spring water or from the milk (just rinse it well) And you need to do 100% daily water changes.



It can't hurt-but I would start with 2tsp/gal and add some tannins if they can....


I've had a betta look so bad, and no one would help me... Nemphis... So I took quick action and used AQ salt, and he perked up! If anything AQ salt will help the immune system.
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