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Old 06-17-2012, 08:28 PM   #11 
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I believe they actually debunked the theory that dogs are a pack animal. There have been studies done to show that there is a lot of misconceptions regarding dominant and submissive behaviour. For starters an alpha roll is actually supposed to be initiated by the submissive dog, not the more dominant one. This is why it's pointless to continually roll dogs over and get in their face.

This is why I don't like Cesar Milan. He usually uses flooding to completely overwhelm the dogs on his show until they finally submit. This is not conductive training long-term. He also does a lot of other things I don't agree with and I want to know how many of the dogs he features on his shows regress once the cameras stop rolling.

People get so caught up on being pack leader they don't see that you are not part of a pack or even an equal partnership. As the human you are in charge, and whatever you say goes, no if, buts or maybes.

I don't like halties as they can cause damage to the neck and every single dog I've seen in them has always tried to get it off as soon as they were let off the lead.

A correctly fitted and utilised choke or check collar is best for bigger dogs. It is supposed to be one short, sharp correction and then immediate release once the dog complies. The purpose of the collar is defeated if you allow your dog to lean into it until they are half-strangling themselves.

Dogs are usually a hundred times more aggressive and stressed on a lead when meeting other dogs than when off it. This is because the owner tends to be freaking out and tightening the leash as soon as they see another dog look in their direction. This conveys that this is something scary or threatening approaching, and will cause your dog to act accordingly. Be confident and relaxed. Watch both dog's behaviour carefully and always try and end it on a good note.

Personally I would let the chi and your dog meet off lead. Most little dogs are all talk and will crap themselves and back down in the face of a bigger dog. Just be careful the chi being spoiled does not become protective or aggressive because its owner is in the room. The little dog next door does this and it is very annoying when you try and approach it with your dog.
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Old 06-17-2012, 11:04 PM   #12 
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I use a harness for my dog because she slips normal collars and is a runner, and after buying the crate(seventy bucks down the drain...ouch...) I don't have another thirty to spend on a choke collar her size. Also, she's not huge, maybe forty or fifty pounds, about the size of a heeler, so I would be concerned with hurting her neck.

The problem with letting the chi and Tina meet off lead is because the woman who owns the chi will be screaming about how my dog is going to hurt her dog while her dog tries to be agressive towards my dog. Hence the muzzle. Without the muzzle, she wouldn't have let me bring her at all. I might be able to let them meet off leash with a muzzle, but the muzzle is non negotiable, and even spending so much on stuff for her, I'm still saving hundreds by getting her shots here. Will she be okay with that?

Also, the lab is also this woman's, and she doesn't even know why her dog needs a leash at all. (Tried the "its the law" argument, didn't work.) He likes to actually take the leash from you with his teeth and walk himself. She thinks it's cute. I think it's annoying.
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Old 06-17-2012, 11:09 PM   #13 
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i wouldnt use a choke (you could do some serious damage with one) and I wouldnt let the dogs off leash together.
Taking them for a walk together could be a good idea, but TBH for both dogs safety I would work on the desensitzation protocols i posted before.
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Old 06-17-2012, 11:17 PM   #14 
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I won't see my dog until I pick her up Wednesday for this adventure. She lives an hour away with my aging mother who doesn't have the time or strength to train her. I'm trying to get my "landlord" to let her move in with me, but if this doesn't go well it's impossible.
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Old 06-17-2012, 11:32 PM   #15 
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If that's the way the owner will react then it's probably wise to leave the muzzle on. I wouldn't let my dog into any situation where someone is screaming and panicking. Lady sounds like a nutbar and I would definitely limit her access to your dog as much as possible.

Our shepherds are only 50 or so pounds and a check collar will not hurt them if you use it correctly. But if you are happy and can control your dog properly with a harness then you don't need to switch.

I've never used a muzzle but I would definitely try and get Tina used to wearing one before putting it on her there and meeting a new dog. Even for 10-15 minutes. She probably won't mind it but you don't want her first experience with it to be a bad one if it's something she will be wearing regularly.

Sounds like a tough situation. Sometimes people don't realise how much of a disservice they do to their smaller dogs when they spoil them and don't teach them proper manners.
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Old 06-18-2012, 12:31 AM   #16 
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It is indeed a shame. And this little dog only misbehaves when her owner is home. This woman also freaks out when we actually play with the lab and make him exercise because he has hip problems. When being more active would HELP. And I plan to get some training treats and give her lots of them while first putting it near, then on her. I'm only going to get it when she's with me though so I get a proper fit. I just hope she behaves well enough that we can ditch it. I hate muzzling her, I don't want people thinking she's vicious or anything. She's just people shy and dog wary. She's fine once she knows you.
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Old 06-18-2012, 01:03 AM   #17 
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By the way, now that I'm on an actual computer, here is a picture of Tina, just because I can. I woke her up for the picture, so if she looks a little sleepy, that's why.



Apparently Gloria, the woman who owns the other two dogs, said she looked...plain... behind my back. -.- This woman really irks me.

Anyways, now that I have a full sized keyboard and a not-dying computer, I know I'm worrying a lot, I just hope she takes well to other dogs. I eventually want to put forth an argument for her to move in with us. I miss her quite a bit, she's been the only constant friend I've had since I was ten.
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Old 06-18-2012, 01:40 AM   #18 
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She reminds me a bit of our old kelpie X. The eyes are the same. Not plain at all. She has a very athletic/working dog type build, though I would not have picked her as part chow!

Poor little dog. The one next door is like that as her owners let her get up on everything, jump on guests, be incredibly fussy with her food etc.

The one time we took our dog over to meet Missy, she was was snapping and snarling because the owner was holding her leash. As soon as I took the lead she did one snap, got corrected for it and was fine with having our dog sniff her.

Some people find it funny to have their dogs behave like this. Especially little dogs. Then they act like your dog is a murderer if it so much as growls in retaliation.
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Old 06-18-2012, 02:01 AM   #19 
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You can see the chow more when she stands. She has the tail, the fur pattern(though nowhere near as fluffy!) and the characteristic blue tongue of course. :) She has so much personality and expresses so much with her eyes! And she is very much an athlete, it's a good thing we have a big back yard with a big hill to work her out cause she loves to run! ((We also have a squirrel that lives in the back yard that runs up and down the fence teasing her; gives her quite the good work out, lol.))

Yeah, I dislike when people try to tell me their vicious chihuahua wouldn't hurt a fly. A poodle bit me at work once while the owners weren't paying attention. I didn't even touch it. I knelt down to let it sniff my hand and it bit me! Luckily it didn't break skin, the owners just chuckled at how cute their snarling poodle was. Meanwhile we have a couple that brings in a pair of mastiffs who are the sweetest, most well behaved dogs I've ever met, but people with pocket dogs give them a wide berth and look at them funny.

Yeah, when the owner is home the chihuahua, Chickie, barks at EVERYTHING that moves. When the owner's gone, she's just a sweet old lady dog that wants peace and quiet. The lab picked up this behavior so leaving the house while the owner is home is a noisy ordeal. But her overweight spoiled ill behaving dogs are perfect angels of course. It's not like I work in a pet store or anything. She debates with me over nutrition too. She doesn't get why grain is becoming considered more and more bad for dogs, free feeds kibble all day, gives them tons of table scraps, then wonders why they won't eat their cans at night. The chihuahua is also overweight AND has an enlarged liver. The lab is slightly overweight, as well. But of course if I try to tell her this, everyone but my boyfriend in the house protests and says they look perfectly healthy. I've stopped trying.
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Old 06-18-2012, 05:44 PM   #20 
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Our neighbours are like that. They are like grandparents to me but all of their dogs have been poorly socialised and grossly obese. Their old boxer was allowed to sit on the couch and intimidate guests she didn't like. I once wore a dress that made me look different and she advanced on me snarling until she heard my voice and recognised me.

I would be absolutely mortified if that was my dog but they thought it was funny. Same as when the same dog tried to mount me while I was sitting on the floor.

Their new dog looks like an ottoman she is so fat. They say she won't eat normal dog food but she tried that trick with me when I was babysitting her and I came back the next morning and the food was all gone. Now they hand-feed her buttered toast and other table scraps.

Just make sure the lady doesn't set your dog up for failure; she certainly doesn't sound like the world's best owner. If she is home when you are not I would make sure she cannot access Tina if you can. You will only have her side of the story to go on if something happens.
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