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Old 06-26-2012, 10:15 PM   #1 
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Pine cone

My little baby Jan, he gets sick.

A few days ago, he doesn't eat. But he looks like fine. Today, I saw he has cone pine.

I prepaer hospital tank, add a little bit salt and medicine.

He floating top or down now.

Please teach me how can I treat him.
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Old 06-26-2012, 10:17 PM   #2 
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Try to full this out as completely as possible.

Housing
What size is your tank?
What temperature is your tank?
Does your tank have a filter?
Does your tank have an air stone or other type of aeration?
Is your tank heated?
What tank mates does your betta fish live with?

Food
What type of food do you feed your betta fish?
How often do you feed your betta fish?

Maintenance
How often do you perform a water change?
What percentage of the water do you change when you perform a water change?
What type of additives do you add to the water when you perform a water change?

Water Parameters:
Have you tested your water? If so, what are the following parameters?

Ammonia:
Nitrite:
Nitrate:
pH:
Hardness:
Alkalinity:

Symptoms and Treatment
How has your betta fish's appearance changed?
How has your betta fish's behavior changed?
When did you start noticing the symptoms?
Have you started treating your fish? If so, how?
Does your fish have any history of being ill?
How old is your fish (approximately)?
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Old 06-27-2012, 03:26 AM   #3 
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Try to full this out as completely as possible.

Housing
What size is your tank?
What temperature is your tank?
Does your tank have a filter?
Does your tank have an air stone or other type of aeration?
Is your tank heated?
What tank mates does your betta fish live with?

Food
What type of food do you feed your betta fish?
How often do you feed your betta fish?

Maintenance
How often do you perform a water change?
What percentage of the water do you change when you perform a water change?
What type of additives do you add to the water when you perform a water change?

Water Parameters:
Have you tested your water? If so, what are the following parameters?

Ammonia:
Nitrite:
Nitrate:
pH:
Hardness:
Alkalinity:

Symptoms and Treatment
How has your betta fish's appearance changed?
How has your betta fish's behavior changed?
When did you start noticing the symptoms?
Have you started treating your fish? If so, how?
Does your fish have any history of being ill?
How old is your fish (approximately)?


Thank you for reply.
Here;

Housing
What size is your tank? : 2.5 gallon +
What temperature is your tank?: 26F
Does your tank have a filter? :No
Does your tank have an air stone or other type of aeration?: No
Is your tank heated? :No
What tank mates does your betta fish live with? :Noone

Food
What type of food do you feed your betta fish? :the blood worm
How often do you feed your betta fish? twice a day

Maintenance
How often do you perform a water change?: everyday
What percentage of the water do you change when you perform a water change? :100%
What type of additives do you add to the water when you perform a water change?: salt

Water Parameters:
Have you tested your water? If so, what are the following parameters? : I didn't test, because I add medicine

Ammonia:
Nitrite:
Nitrate:
pH:
Hardness:
Alkalinity:

Symptoms and Treatment
How has your betta fish's appearance changed?: Don't eat
How has your betta fish's behavior changed? : He doesn't swim
When did you start noticing the symptoms? : I didn't realize anything excepted doesn't eat
Have you started treating your fish? If so, how? : I add salt and medicie two days ago
Does your fish have any history of being ill? Not, ill, but he injured last month
How old is your fish : 7 months

I didn't find anything two days ago. He doesn't eat that's all. But He looks like sick, and I add salt and medicine. Today, I saw he has cone pine. I really shocked.

If anything, please advice to me.

Thank you so much.
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Old 06-27-2012, 08:24 AM   #4 
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Twenty-six degrees farenheit?! I hope you mean celcius.
Either way, when a fish starts to pine cone it usually means dropsy.
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Dropsy •Symptoms: Your betta will have a bloated belly and raised scales. They will look like a pine cone. Thisis usually a fataldiseasecaused by an internal bacterialinfection resulting in internal organ failure but many have had success bringing fish back when treated quickly. Early Symptoms: Swollen eyes(important), Gray belly (important), Clamped fins, Lethargy. If your fish has swollen eyesand a graybelly,I suggest thatyou treatitfor Dropsy. •Treatment: If you spot the early signs of Dropsy then treat him/her with ES at 1-2tsp/gal and Jungle’s Anti-Parasite pellets while performing 100% daily water changes. It helps to increase the temperature to 84*F. If he/she has begun Pineconning then do the full course as described below: Performing daily 100% water changes. Increase the temperature to 84*F. Add 1-2 tsp/gal Epsom Salt. Use API General Cure OR API Erythromycin OR Maracyn II and/or Maracyn for best results. Feed something containing Metronidazole,forexample, Jungle’s Anti-Parasite pellets. If caught early, Dropsy is curable.
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Old 06-27-2012, 08:46 AM   #5 
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Twenty-six degrees farenheit?! I hope you mean celcius.
Either way, when a fish starts to pine cone it usually means dropsy.

Thank you for quick your answer.
Oh, I misstyped, yes, I mean 26C.

I really shocked I didn't realized my baby. He is a little bit gray belly.

Thank you very much told me about Dropsy information. I really appriciate your help.

Thanks.
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No problem. There is some really valuable information on this site. If you surf and lurk enough you'll learn a lot!
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Old 06-27-2012, 09:39 AM   #7 
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No problem. There is some really valuable information on this site. If you surf and lurk enough you'll learn a lot!
Thank you.
I see I really upset and I rushed today.
I was searching information on this site. But I didn't find anything. That's why I post new thread. Maybe I was missearching. I wil llearn more from this site.

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Dropsy isn’t a disease, but rather a symptom of other underlying problems, and there is no single underlying problem for every case. A fish with dropsy will be obviously round and swollen, particularly around the abdomen, the swelling causes the scales to stick out, and when viewed from the top the fish will resemble a pine cone. Fish suffering from dropsy are often lethargic, poorly colored, and uninterested in food.

The symptom that we call dropsy is essentially an accumulation of fluids within the body. As the body swells the scales are forced out, causing the pine cone appearance. The most common causes of dropsy are bacterial infections caused by poor water quality and maintenance, certain viral and protozoan infections, and organ failure.

Dropsy is extremely difficult to treat, by the time the fluid in the body has built up enough to cause the scales to pine cone, Severe internal damage has already occurred. By the time it gets to this point it’s usually best to euthanize the fish. You can try treating with Anti-biotics, epsom salt and increased water temperatures, but most of the time these treatments do not work, and you are just prolonging the suffering of the fish!
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Old 06-27-2012, 11:03 AM   #9 
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Dropsy isnít a disease, but rather a symptom of other underlying problems, and there is no single underlying problem for every case. A fish with dropsy will be obviously round and swollen, particularly around the abdomen, the swelling causes the scales to stick out, and when viewed from the top the fish will resemble a pine cone. Fish suffering from dropsy are often lethargic, poorly colored, and uninterested in food.

The symptom that we call dropsy is essentially an accumulation of fluids within the body. As the body swells the scales are forced out, causing the pine cone appearance. The most common causes of dropsy are bacterial infections caused by poor water quality and maintenance, certain viral and protozoan infections, and organ failure.

Dropsy is extremely difficult to treat, by the time the fluid in the body has built up enough to cause the scales to pine cone, Severe internal damage has already occurred. By the time it gets to this point itís usually best to euthanize the fish. You can try treating with Anti-biotics, epsom salt and increased water temperatures, but most of the time these treatments do not work, and you are just prolonging the suffering of the fish!

Thank you for your advice.
I see Dropsy. I use like Anti-biotics now. I wll buy epsom salt tomorrow. I would like to make him comfortable. Is he suffering now ?

Thanks,
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Old 06-27-2012, 12:57 PM   #10 
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I imagine he has a tummy ache... Depending on what's causing his dropsy, he could be feeling different things. Make sure to lower the water level so he can easily get to the top of the tank without exerting much energy. It might help him if you put some decorations in his tank that he can lay on and still be close to the top. Daily water changes are a must. That's the best way to make him more comfortable.
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