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Old 07-18-2012, 11:51 AM   #1 
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Im on a Quest

Hey guys im on a little quest here to breed something i haven't seen, maybe you guys have but i haven't, As you guys know there are double tail plakats, HM Plakats. Crowntail Plakats and Double Tail crown plakats also halfmoon double tail plaks.

So i was really excited when i thought of the idea, i said, "What about a Halfmoon double tail crown delta plakat. i mean is that really possible or just science fiction. Like i said some of you may have heard, or seen it, but i haven't that's why i felt excited when i thought of the idea!

So tell me is it genetically possible?

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Old 07-18-2012, 11:56 AM   #2 
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I believe it is possible, but you can't have a delta and HM at the same time in the same fish that is.
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Old 07-18-2012, 11:59 AM   #3 
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I believe it is possible, but you can't have a delta and HM at the same time in the same fish that is.
How so?
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Old 07-18-2012, 12:04 PM   #4 
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Because a delta is a fish with less than a 180 degree caudal spread. While an HalfMoon is a fish with a 180 degree caudal spread. Therefore. You cannot have a delta AND a Halfmoon at the same time. It will be either one or the other. And a double tail halfmoon crowntail has been developed and I have found one at a Local Petco aswell as another Texan Betta keeper. I believe that tail formation cannot be developed without years and years of breeding. This typically cannot be developed by an average US breeder due to the limited resources. It would be hard to make as crowntail, halfmoon, and double tail are all a mix of dominant tail types and are all dominant over Plakat. Creating the double tail plakat is already hard enough. Creating that advanced of a tail type is very very hard. I've only seen it developed once. Keep in mind that you cannot just mix tail types without any deformities or messed up tails. Be ready to cull very hard. And also, keep in mind that the tail webbing in plakats that creates the crowntail apperance will be minimal and the "spikes" will be very short/stubby compared to Halfmoons or other long tail types

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Old 07-18-2012, 01:47 PM   #5 
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You'll just get VERY messy fins if you try for that :/
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Old 07-18-2012, 01:50 PM   #6 
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I agree with mr. Vampire.
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Old 07-18-2012, 02:11 PM   #7 
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delta and HM is the same type of fish, just different tail spred. xD

Also, DT CT seems... weird to me o.O

A decent CTHMPK line would be enough of a challenge to get right starting from scratch(CT-preferably with a 180 HM tail spred- and HMPK) You could probably add DTPK genes in later if you want to widen the dorsal/have a shot of DT fry a generation or two later), but DT genes can also lead to spine problems especially when you involve inbreeding over generations, which starting a new line can take.
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Old 07-18-2012, 02:19 PM   #8 
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IMHO, you shouldn't try to cross different forms without a specific reason. I understand that creative breeding led to the different tail forms we have now, but trying to jam them all into one fish will just end up a disaster.
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Old 07-18-2012, 02:27 PM   #9 
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Plus the spike of Ct in a hmpk is very tiny n sloppy do to the ray
But if u really want a hmpkdtct
Have to think of a little
Cause this is a little hard
Hmpk n Hmpkdt is easy to create but introducing a Ct into the line is a bit odd for me since it's a long tail
Hmpk
Just selecting heavy ray Pk with straight edge n breeding them
Hmpkdt
Crossing hmpk to dthm
Then crossing f1 together then picking the best hmdt(Pk) n cross it with another hmpk
From there cross the f1 from your second spawn n u will have some Hmpkdt
If your lucky u can get one in the first breeding

Will
If u can establish a strong Hmpkdt line(if u do hit me up n if I'm still raising I'll buy a few from u to cross with the hmpk)
Introducing Ct to get hmpkdtct won't be far
Just cross a Ct male with a really heavy ray branching female Hmpkdt
Then cross the f1(select the shortest fin male with the most ray count(female is the luck of the draw really hard to tell
That is the challenge
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Old 07-18-2012, 03:04 PM   #10 
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WOW!!! I sure am glad I'm happy with HM's!
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