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Old 08-09-2012, 05:06 AM   #51 
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Personally, I despise these "designer breeds". Their no better dogs than those you find in the shelter. I pray the AKC will never recognize them as true breeds.
Why spend over $800 on a mutt that you can get for more than 10x cheaper at the shelter.

Catfish, prepare yourself with a problem riddled puppy. She may likely come with several allergies and possibly some genetic health problems.

Dont be so certain about that, certain breeds have been refined so much as to be stable and 'bred true' so to speak. And there are a ton of them. I am not a fan of the fact because the death toll to do so is humongous but...thats humanity i guess. Wait a decade or two more and see what genetic engineering will bring... We already have fish.
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Old 08-09-2012, 06:16 AM   #52 
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Just be careful, as poorly bred Cocker spaniels can have a lot of issues. Hip dysplasia is just one of them. If the parents are not health checked prior to breeding I would be very very hesitant to purchase a puppy. There is no guarantee with something like hip dysplasia, even out of parents with excellent hip and elbow scores.

There is a lady who takes her dogs swimming to the same place we do and her cocker spaniel was bred from show lines and it still ended up with hip dysplasia.

I believe they also can have problems with their eyes as well.

I don't condone cross-breeding in the first place, but I would at least like to see breeders producing these crosses doing the necessary health checks and proving their dogs in something like obedience or agility. I cannot see the point in purposefully producing pet only dogs when there are already a million dogs rotting in shelters who could easily fill this niche.
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Old 08-09-2012, 06:28 AM   #53 
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I don't condone cross-breeding in the first place, but I would at least like to see breeders producing these crosses doing the necessary health checks and proving their dogs in something like obedience or agility. I cannot see the point in purposefully producing pet only dogs when there are already a million dogs rotting in shelters who could easily fill this niche.
Same reason they produce everything. Consume little men.
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Old 08-09-2012, 06:43 AM   #54 
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We have bought a puppy from a breeder (not a puppy mill or anything like that!). I don't see anything wrong with buying a dog from a breeder. My parents wouldn't get a rescue dog as they can have a lot of different problems and you don't know what their personality will be like as they are often a mix of several different breeds (if it's a "mutt"). I'm not at all against them! In fact I would love to have one! Maybe I'll post pics of the puppy we're bringing home.....
Not all breeders are good breeders. A vast majority of breeders are breeding dogs without genetic health testing, and they're in it for the money. These are called back yard breeders and they are cranking out poorly bred puppies when dogs die in shelters.

Good breeders breed to improve the breed & to put good examples out there.
AKC doesn't mean well bred, pure bred doesn't mean well bred.

I actually saw a report on the news saying mixed breeds are healthier & less prone to issues.. And shelters aren't only full of mutts. I used to volunteer at a no kill shelter. Of course we got mixed breeds but the purebred we got were- English bulldog, dalmation, Siberian husky, boxer, chihuahua, rat terrier, Rottweiler, poodle, daschunds (weve gotten at least 10 of these), German shepherd
And you could tell looking at them they were pure breds.

You can also adopt from a breed specific rescue.

Also you don't know the personality of any puppy. If you get a dog you will know the personality.

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Old 08-09-2012, 07:44 AM   #55 
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My younger brother adopted a young pitbull x something from the RSPCA. It now lives with my dad and is the nuttiest dog ever. It has severe separation anxiety and he used to escape the backyard all the time until my dad put a hotwire up. He has no dog socialisation skills (he is very submissive and playful but likes to be chased by everything so riles dogs up) and has to literally be right under your skin. He used to sleep in my bed with me as in under the blankets when we first got him and he launches himself up onto the couch which I can't stand. He also sometimes snaps at you when you stop playing which worries me.

Someone probably thought all that was cute when he was a puppy, but obviously it's not now. Which is probably why he was at the RSPCA to begin with.

I have no problems with responsible breeders breeding. I do not want to have to fix up someone else's training mistakes. Sure I can get a puppy from the shelter but I would rather know and see the parents prior to purchasing. Who knows what kind of behavioural and health issues you are going to be inheriting. Our previous dog was purchased as a puppy from the RSPCA and her spine fused, she got bad arthritis and she died relatively young. I always wonder whether it was bad luck or bad genes that caused her problems as she was always well looked after.

I agree that just because a breeder is registered or seems reputable doesn't mean they are. I know of a couple of breeders who seem to produce quite a lot of puppies and honestly their dogs possess no spectacular qualities that make them deserving of being bred. Our girl is more proven than some of the females these breeders use, and even I have reservations about my mum breeding her.

I always remind her that there are only so many good homes out there. That is why you have to be so careful as to the quality of the dog you are producing in your program. Any dog can end up in a bad place through no fault of their own, but if you are producing high-quality and therefore, highly valued dogs, they are less likely to fall through the cracks.
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As much as I would love to adopt a dog from a shelter, my parents wouldn't allow it. They assume that it would be a difficult dog to keep if it came from a shelter, but I know this isn't true. I did ask my mum about adopting a dog but she instantly said no. She obviously doesn't know much about rescued dogs.

The breeder we're buying from is not a backyard breeder and is almost definately responsible as we were recommended her on a dog website. I know this doesn't mean the breeder is definately a good one but it's a good sign, isn't it? We've also met the breeder and they seem very passionate and caring about their dogs. They've even had a whole extension done on their house just for the dogs!

I regret writing that post a few pages back about breeders/rescued dogs and I hope I didn't cause offense. :)
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I remember when I was little I saw a place like that in a mall and the
Guy was unloading a small box corgis the box was so overcrowded
He problably pulled out 12 puppys in a small shoe box. That's why my dogs
are rescue
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If people only dumped their dogs in shelters because of behavior or health problems then there wouldn't be half as many shelters in existence.

The main reasons for dumping pets in shelters are no money, moving, allergy and just plain stupid owners. None of it is the animal's fault.

Nothing wrong with buying from a GOOD breeder but again, they are few. You can get awesome, intelligent beautiful dogs (and cats!) in shelters every day!
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Old 08-09-2012, 09:15 AM   #59 
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As much as I would love to adopt a dog from a shelter, my parents wouldn't allow it. They assume that it would be a difficult dog to keep if it came from a shelter, but I know this isn't true. I did ask my mum about adopting a dog but she instantly said no. She obviously doesn't know much about rescued dogs.

The breeder we're buying from is not a backyard breeder and is almost definately responsible as we were recommended her on a dog website. I know this doesn't mean the breeder is definately a good one but it's a good sign, isn't it? We've also met the breeder and they seem very passionate and caring about their dogs. They've even had a whole extension done on their house just for the dogs!

I regret writing that post a few pages back about breeders/rescued dogs and I hope I didn't cause offense. :)
I can't say exactly that if the breeder is recommended on a website, that it's a good breeder. I've seen a golden retriever breeder who had a very nice website, but in the pictures of the parents I saw one dog with hip dysplasia.

Just make sure this breeder gives you genetic health testing papers on the parents.
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Old 08-09-2012, 09:19 AM   #60 
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If people only dumped their dogs in shelters because of behavior or health problems then there wouldn't be half as many shelters in existence.

The main reasons for dumping pets in shelters are no money, moving, allergy and just plain stupid owners. None of it is the animal's fault.

Nothing wrong with buying from a GOOD breeder but again, they are few. You can get awesome, intelligent beautiful dogs (and cats!) in shelters every day!
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The most common reasons..
"I can't afford it"
"I'm moving" <--- I've never understood that one

When I volunteered, we had a lady bring in a cat in a pillow case, a guy open our door, throw a cat inside and drive off, a dog thrown into a volunteer's arms, cats in carriers left at the front door, cat's thrown over the fence, it goes on and on.

We even had a guy who his cat had 4 kittens and he said if we didn't take his mom cat & kittens that he would feed them to dogs.
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