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Old 07-27-2012, 07:13 PM   #1 
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Not sure if just torn or finrot, please help

When I got home today I noticed that my Betta Guppy has lots of tears in his tail.

I changed the water this morning, and he was still fine. I changed the water as I always do, nothing out of the ordinary happened and he had his well deserved favorite breakfast after the water change. Today was 100% water change day which is always a little stressful for him because he does not like waiting in the little cup while his home is cleaned. But, bottom line is, he was fine when I left home for work.

This is a photo of his fins I got last week, all look perfectly normal (for him).



His fins have always been very thin, super long and kind of curled in some spots.

This is him today:


Today I got home and saw the torn tail. I did find one artificial plant that seems to have some sharp edges and I clipped that away assuming that was the culprit. I don;t know how I could have not seen it before and I don't understand how he did not get caught on it before, but maybe he did not swim that way or it got adjusted after the water change where it is more exposed now.

I do see a tiny black spot on his tail so I am worried it might be fin rot.

here are some closeups of his tail:



This one shows the black spot:


it is really tiny, you can only see it in that one angle.



Do you guys think I should wait a few days and see what happens or should I start treatment right away?

If treatment, is better to use just stress coat or should I also use aquarium salt?

I have two live java ferns, will the salt harm these or can I leave them in the tank?

Thanks in advance for the help.

Atena :)
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Old 07-27-2012, 07:21 PM   #2 
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I forgot to post this:

Housing
What size is your tank? 2.5 US gal
What temperature is your tank? 79-80F
Does your tank have a filter? Yes
Does your tank have an air stone or other type of aeration? No
Is your tank heated? Yes
What tank mates does your betta fish live with? He lives alone

Food
What type of food do you feed your betta fish? Betta pallets, flakes and crumbs
How often do you feed your betta fish? Two times a day.

Maintenance
How often do you perform a water change? Used to do it every 3 days, but I since my tank cycled it is every other week at the advice of OFL.

What percentage of the water do you change when you perform a water change? 100% today

What type of additives do you add to the water when you perform a water change? Seachem Prime and a small amount of water treated with Indian almond leaves to keep stable PH.

Water Parameters:
Have you tested your water? No


Symptoms and Treatment
How has your betta fish's appearance changed? Yes
How has your betta fish's behavior changed? No, He seems happy
When did you start noticing the symptoms? Today when I returned from work.
Have you started treating your fish? If so, how? No
Does your fish have any history of being ill? Yes when I first got him, but not for a long time now.
How old is your fish (approximately)? probably at least two years, I got him as an adult and people tell me he looks "elderly". He is very large too compared to other betas.
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Old 07-27-2012, 08:22 PM   #3 
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For now use the stress coat and not the AQ salt. Keep him warm, dim his lights and see if it gets worse. If you think its the decorations always do the nylon/pantyhose test. Meaning if it pulls or tears the nylon/pantyhose remove it from the tank. The other possibility is he might be tail-biting because of stress.
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Old 07-27-2012, 08:29 PM   #4 
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I just saw him swimming in a circle like a dog chasing his tail :(

But I did not see him bite.

I did notice there was a slight filter malfunction that did create more current that he is used to, maybe that caused him stress. I fixed it now though and he seems calm.

We'll see how he does. I will add the Stress coat and see what happens next.
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Old 07-27-2012, 09:38 PM   #5 
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I am gonna say it looks like tail bitting. Even if you never see them biting, they do. Maybe something about the water change upset him?
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Old 07-27-2012, 09:54 PM   #6 
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your boys fins look just like my boy Champagne. He has the most fragile fins I've ever encountered. If, like I suspect, your boys fins are as weak as mine, then just swimming to excitedly can cause him to tear and rip. Clean water to start, if you see red forming or black, you might have to salt him.

You will have to remove the plants if you do salt him.
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Old 07-28-2012, 10:49 AM   #7 
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Thank you everyone for the help. Today I am almost convinced it was the high current all day that stressed him out. He is his normal cheerful self today and no chasing his own tail.

I have him a new softer flower to lean on where he likes to build his bubble nests and he ate just fine.

So far, there are no signs of worsening of the condition so I hope it will just heal.

I am trating with stress coat.

Hey, I do have a question, the stress coat came with another bottle of liquid called "stress zyme"... any idea what this is for?

Thank you again for the help. I don't know what I would do without the support of all my betta loving friends in this forum.

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Old 07-28-2012, 10:51 AM   #8 
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Silverfang, do you have a picture of your boy?
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Old 07-28-2012, 11:51 AM   #9 
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I wonder, is he a major flare machine? I find with long finned bettas, they tend to pop their fins, which can lead to finrot and biting. It looks to me like his fins are weak or fragile and perhaps the flaring just popped them and perhaps fin rot wants to set in. IAL all the way for that, magical that stuff is.
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Old 07-28-2012, 12:55 PM   #10 
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it doesn't have to be flaring that causes the tearing, my boy gets it when he swims excitedly.

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