my male is lethargic and acting weird

[ANHEL123]

lol i know it for human use. You can make a bath. Have fun!!!
I just text ed someone. I really remember that i read that in some cases you can mix it. Like in this case betta jumped out and might have infections since he could damage slime coat so aq salt would help. And constipated which es will help. So i will wait when that person response to me and see....

[prodrumernate]

Originally Posted by ANHEL123

i can mail your $5 in the envelope for the salt. But i am getting confused if he is lethargic because he has infection since he jumped out a few times and now you saying that his fins are nipped or he is bloated and that is the problem. But epsom salt also has antibacterial effect though.

I am wondering if it possible to mix aq salt and epsom salt. I think i read it before that you can. Any one has idea?

you dont have to do that.im sure i can get the money..id fell awkward..he didnt sustain any injuries when he fell out.well other than a few missing scales..he was fine for a few days.acting normal.then all of a sudden i noticed his stomach was bloated and he was just laying at the bottom trying to hide.rite now his head is under a small dolphin decor that in there.i covered part of the tank with a rag to make it dark and for him to hide easier.

the fins were nipped by the other fish in my 10 gallon which was over a week ago,he was in there for just a few days and i said enough is enough.put him back in the 1 gallon until i can afford to get a divider for my 10 gallon.put my 2 girls in there and put my rosy reds in my 20 gallon and the male in my 2 gallon that currently houses my female donna.i was going to make a divider but cant afford the material and figured when i do start working i can afford to just buy a divider..but still no luck about my job yet.my dad and i r suppose to have started there last monday but there was a delay.we emailed the woman.still no reply..

my male(keiichi) sits at the bottom hiding,wont eat,and is bloated.he come up for air with no problem and will swim around a little to find a place to relax at.the day before he started doing this.i didnt notice any swelling in his abdomen.

[ANHEL123]

Sometimes bloating also can mean internal parasites. I hope it not it. But don't share anything between him and other fish just in case.

I don't think though because betta usually looks very bad with internal parasites. Symptoms can be bloating, grayish belly, white stringy or clear poo.

How often and how much you was changing your 10 gall?

[prodrumernate]

Originally Posted by ANHEL123

Sometimes bloating also can mean internal parasites. I hope it not it. But don't share anything between him and other fish just in case.

I don't think though because betta usually looks very bad with internal parasites. Symptoms can be bloating, grayish belly, white stringy or clear poo.

How often and how much you was changing your 10 gall?

i was also considering internal parasites.i know i need to hurry and do something besides just sitting back and waiting...he is actually not in the 10 gallon,but i change the water about every 2 weeks.now that it is stocked more ill be changing about 30% once a week..i have 4 rosy red minnows,2 mystery snails and 2 oto's in it.and i actually have a DIY moving bed filter.

[ANHEL123]

For 10 gall with all that fish recommendation really 50 % weekly with gravel siphoning and filter media swish/wash in the old water WITH the water change.

Watch for the poo.
Epsom salt big help. I hope he don't have internal parasites. With that you can treat only with medications and epsom salt. Epsom salt along will not help.
And internal parasites easier to feed when fish is eating so it can pass them trough the poop.
Sorry i guess just keep eye on him. See if his bloating will go away. If it not go away then something is going on. Or if he will get more bloated without eating then there is possibilities to have internal....

Also be careful with other fish i would think internal parasites contagious don't put new fish in the same tank he was in.

[prodrumernate]

the cycle had jut finished the first week of this month.ive done 2 water changes so far.last 1 was yesterday with a good gravel cleaning.i use a website aqadvisor.com to get an idea on what my tank can handle and it gives tips on how to clean and the water temp etc..i do need to change more water.

oh yes i forgot to mention he isnt pooing.2 days and nothing.theres no gravel in there so i can see the bottom.

only medication i have is bettafix.im going to gather all my pennies in the morning and roll them up and see if i have enough to get some E salt.i know i dont have enough for any other medication.

ive been checking on him constantly.seems everything is the same.he is now at the top of the tank sitting on top of a plastic plant i let float in there.

all 3 of my bettas are in separate tanks.each alone.to make sure they dont get sick or anything.i know 1 of my females has what looks almost like diatoms on her bottom and tail fin.close to the body.it seems to stay there.but she is normal.its been there for weeks..

[ANHEL123]

how big the other 3 tanks?So i can give you advice on water changes.

sorry but bettafix will not help. Don't even use it.
I did text someone else to check on your post and see what she think.
I think now you have to wait and see if his belly will look better and poo..How long he didn't poop?

[Sakura8]

Prodrumernate, do you have any oak trees around where you are? If you do, go grab some dried oak leaves. Rinse them off under tap water and then crumble them up into his tank until the water turns a weak tea color.

At this point, I'm more concerned about the bloating. Anhel is definitely right that jumping out can cause him to lose slime coat, which in turn can lead to pathogens taking over and causing illness. I'm thinking he may have been so stressed by the rosy reds that his immune system was compromised and perhaps some internal parasites snuck in; since rosy reds are considered feeder fish, they aren't kept in the best of conditions and often carry parasites. Even after all this time that you've had them, they may still have had some in their system, which he may now have.

I'm not really sure how many aquarium stores use epsom salt on a regular basis but it would be worth it to ask at one, if you can, for a cupful. Otherwise, I'm more than willing to mail you some if you PM me your details. I have plenty and since you're in AZ, it should get there fairly quickly. I understand money troubles so don't worry or feel bad, you're doing all you can.

EDIT: Your female may have some excess slime coat hanging off. If she's acting normal, just keep an eye on her.

[prodrumernate]

Originally Posted by ANHEL123

how big the other 3 tanks?So i can give you advice on water changes.

sorry but bettafix will not help. Don't even use it.
I did text someone else to check on your post and see what she think.
I think now you have to wait and see if his belly will look better and poo..How long he didn't poop?

a 10 gallon,20 gallon and a 2 gallon..2o gallon was just seeded a few days ago..

i dont use bettafix much,i know it bad for the labyrinth organ...

he hasnt pooed in about 2 days roughly.yesterday and today nothing.

[prodrumernate]

Originally Posted by Sakura8

Prodrumernate, do you have any oak trees around where you are? If you do, go grab some dried oak leaves. Rinse them off under tap water and then crumble them up into his tank until the water turns a weak tea color.

At this point, I'm more concerned about the bloating. Anhel is definitely right that jumping out can cause him to lose slime coat, which in turn can lead to pathogens taking over and causing illness. I'm thinking he may have been so stressed by the rosy reds that his immune system was compromised and perhaps some internal parasites snuck in; since rosy reds are considered feeder fish, they aren't kept in the best of conditions and often carry parasites. Even after all this time that you've had them, they may still have had some in their system, which he may now have.

I'm not really sure how many aquarium stores use epsom salt on a regular basis but it would be worth it to ask at one, if you can, for a cupful. Otherwise, I'm more than willing to mail you some if you PM me your details. I have plenty and since you're in AZ, it should get there fairly quickly. I understand money troubles so don't worry or feel bad, you're doing all you can.

EDIT: Your female may have some excess slime coat hanging off. If she's acting normal, just keep an eye on her.

i have not seen any oak trees around me..ive been keeping an eye out.but with this heat i dont stay out long.it does make sense how his behavior has been.and being stressed out from being with the fin biting rosy reds.

when he jumped.he fell quiet a distance for a fish hi size.the top of the bar is about 3 and a half feet off the ground.the carpet is fairly thick.but everytime i picked him back up,he jumped out my hands.so he fell 3 or 4 times total from the top of the bar and even landing on a shoe box.i finally cupped him in my hands and put him back in the water.and kept an eye on him.i can see him from the end of my bed where im at 24/7..i can take pictures of the setup where he is and where he fell at.including the shoe box and the carpet.

i did worry about parasites.i know they arent taken well care of.i did a month of research before getting them.and now learn u can not put them with any bright colored or long finned fish.i wanted to contact admin about having a sticky about that and some other little info that might help.but never did..

i do need to be able to buy a few more things for my fish like meds and E salt.i have plenty of food.and i do worry bout if 1 gets very sick im left in the dust basically.i would have been paid already if not a delay in my work.i had to pass on some free 10 gallon tanks that were complete on craigslist due to money for driving there.but in time ill get it :) i just feel awkward and like i have to pay back any1 who does things like that for me.im honestly not use to it.

i may try to take some pictures of my tanks and setups to post in here to help give a visual on everything.

that would make sense about the brown on my females fins.shes as happy as can be.like nothing is wrong.several weeks its been like that and not really much of a change