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Old 09-06-2012, 11:42 PM   #1 
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Ich on one of my ladies

Long story short, I look at my girls and see tell tale white salt like dots on the fins of one of my ladies. I pull her out to get a good look at her. I can't SEE any spots on the rest, but that might be just a matter of time. I can isolate her and treat her with salt, but my concern is the sorority.

I know it's best to treat the whole tank, BUT this is a NPT, meaning soil capped with sand, substrate vacuuming is not an option. Salt is not an option.

Housing
What size is your tank? 29G
What temperature is your tank? ~79
Does your tank have a filter? Yes
Does your tank have an air stone or other type of aeration? No
Is your tank heated? Yes
What tank mates does your betta fish live with? 4 ladies, 1 BN pleco, and 50+ baby snails

Food
What type of food do you feed your betta fish? Primarily pellets, NLS grow formula, occasional bloodworms.
How often do you feed your betta fish? Sometimes once a day, sometimes twice

Maintenance

How often do you perform a water change? once a month
What percentage of the water do you change when you perform a water change? 10%
What type of additives do you add to the water when you perform a water change? Conditioner - stress coat

Water Parameters:
Have you tested your water? If so, what are the following parameters?

Ammonia: 0
Nitrite: 0
Nitrate: 0
pH: 7.5 or slightly above
Hardness: extremely soft
Alkalinity:

Symptoms and Treatment
How has your betta fish's appearance changed? ich
How has your betta fish's behavior changed? clamped
When did you start noticing the symptoms? tonight
Have you started treating your fish? If so, how? not yet
Does your fish have any history of being ill? no
How old is your fish (approximately)? have had her for about 2 and a half months

I know standard treatment, and I am preparing a really odd QT with Aq salt, but I want to know about the rest of the girls. IS there a way I can treat the tank? I did have some issues with my filter, it likes to cut out. I don't know if that could have stressed her.

I have to do some testing, see if I have a suitable heater to raise the temp, otherwise I'll just have to slowly work her up to 3 tsp/gal and hope it doesn't show up on any others.

No pics of her, it's ich, I know it.
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Old 09-06-2012, 11:50 PM   #2 
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I think heat would be the only solution for you.

I would remove the girls and jack up the heat for a 3-4 days maybe even 5 day to make sure the ickies die off when there are no fish to latch onto.

Hopefully your plants can withstand the heat.

Let me know what everyone else suggests because this would be one of my fears as well if I was to go NPT.
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Old 09-06-2012, 11:56 PM   #3 
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I'm worried about how the pleco and apples will handle the heat, gonna check into my apple snail forum and see what advice I can get there.

When I checked the heat had dropped to about 76, so I notched the heater up a degree or two (it's in celsius, but my thermometer is in f). I'll test my water tomorrow when there is more than lamp light to read the results by.
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Old 09-07-2012, 12:15 AM   #4 
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Can apples get or carry ich?
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Old 09-07-2012, 12:16 AM   #5 
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Sorry that you're dealing with this unpleasant situation!
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Old 09-07-2012, 12:17 AM   #6 
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I don't know. I don't know if 86 degree water will boil them. 79 is a bit much, it's like speeding up their metabolism, it makes them "burn out" faster.
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Old 09-07-2012, 12:35 AM   #7 
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Oh man did I freak the first time I got ich in my sorority, and I didn't even have live plants. When I did get it in my planted tank on my rummynoses, Olympia told me to just put the heat up to 86. However, just to be on the safe side, I'd take the snails out. Maybe the BN too. A few days of that and the ich should be gone. Worked for the rummynoses and I didn't even do a water change.
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Old 09-07-2012, 12:36 AM   #8 
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Uhm... 50+ apple snails, some dime sized. >.>
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Old 09-07-2012, 12:44 AM   #9 
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Oooooh. Another option is to move the girls into a 10gal and treat them in there. Turn up the heat slightly in the 29 to 80 or 82 F, warm but not too warm for the snailies. Don't put the girls back for several days. By then, the ich should have died off without a host.
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Old 09-07-2012, 12:53 AM   #10 
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That might work. I've got a thread left on my apple snail go to forum (I know!) and see what they say. It probably will be ok. My concern is erm, well the spare 10 killed my other apples, and ah, no filter.
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