White cloud minnow & Zebra Danio?

[Olympia]

Originally Posted by mkayum

I thought WCMS was common too! But petco near my area didn't carry them. BUT I thought it'd be nice if my male WCM joins with other different schooling fish. You know it's interesting to see how they adapt. I'm not sure if it's good time for Petco to special order for me. But I would try. It'd be my first time..? How do I ask them to order for me? Will they get the right fish? :O

So this little boy, He tried to fit in with my two bait red rosy and gray minnows. (They are about 3 to 4 years old. ) They did and he followed them whatever they go.

But I feel that those couple of older minnows would be happier to be in their own tank. I decided to remove them and moved them to their very own ten gallon tank. They look happier in there.

Just ask if they can get any of the minnows in for you and when, simple as that.
Why not just put the minnow in with your rosy reds and get your danios for the 20 gallon?

[Relic]

Originally Posted by DragonFyre14

I agree. The minnow does need a school. it would help his health and make him sooo much happier. however there still is the problem of overstocking. As annoying as it may seem that we are fixating on that it can thoroughly harm the health of all the fish in the tank. please consider getting a new tank before getting more fish.

As far as the Kuhli loaches go, I don't know very much about them and perhaps they are fine, but it just seems like a lot. even if they don't require much space wouldn't they be happier with more? Also wouldn't more fish cause more ammonia to be produced creating a greater need for bigger water changes?

I understand your concern..I really do. But I assure you, his tank is NOT over stocked. I just plugged all the info{20 gallon tank stocked with 7x kuhlii loaches,2x dwarf gouramis,8x cloud minnows..and he said inverts so I put in 12x ghost shrimp} into AQ advisor and this is what it came up with.

Recommended temperature range: 75.2 - 77 F. [Display in Celsius]
Recommended pH range: 6 - 8.
Recommended hardness range: 5 - 15 dH.
Recommended water change schedule: 32% per week.
Your aquarium stocking level is 79%.
So I wasn't far off when I said 3/4 stocked. and 32% water changes weekly is nothing...this should be done regardless of stocking level. I also didn't know if he had filtration so I left that out when I plugged in the info.

[Relic]

Originally Posted by ChoclateBetta

7 is way to many for a 20 GALLON!!!!!

Believe what you want. My experience tells me other wise.

[DragonFyre14]

I guess I was wrong. Anyway thanks for being nice about it. Oh and hey could you post a link to that AQ advisor thing you used? I would really appreciate it.

[ChoclateBetta]

Originally Posted by Relic

Believe what you want. My experience tells me other wise.

Maybe with massive water changes I admit I have trouble letting go I do weekly 25-50 percent water changes in the twenty gallon it might be okay if the school has enough room to swim how long by how wide is the tank.

[Relic]

Originally Posted by DragonFyre14

I guess I was wrong. Anyway thanks for being nice about it. Oh and hey could you post a link to that AQ advisor thing you used? I would really appreciate it.

No problem. Keep in mind that AQadvisor is not 100% fool proof and it is still best to do species specific research before purchasing fish. But it is a very helpful site that makes for a good starting point with any tank set-up.
http://aqadvisor.com/

[mkayum]

Originally Posted by DragonFyre14

I agree. The minnow does need a school. it would help his health and make him sooo much happier. however there still is the problem of overstocking. As annoying as it may seem that we are fixating on that it can thoroughly harm the health of all the fish in the tank. please consider getting a new tank before getting more fish.

As far as the Kuhli loaches go, I don't know very much about them and perhaps they are fine, but it just seems like a lot. even if they don't require much space wouldn't they be happier with more? Also wouldn't more fish cause more ammonia to be produced creating a greater need for bigger water changes?

I do water change about two times a week plus weekend and.. it's planted. The plants are Java ferns & a java moss vine and moneyworts, an anubias. I think there's some Anacharis in there too. Oh and a few of Water Wisteria. The white sand is center of the tank and the gravel are around the sand. It's for Kuhili loaches and they look happier. (:


FOR your information, it's been established for like a month and half ago and I do water change every Saturday and Wednesday to keep the water in check.

[Olympia]

Alright guys, the wonderful thing about stocking is that it is subjective. That means, everyone can think something different, and (minus extreme cases) no one can be completely right about everything.

I do not think this tank is overstocked, even with the addition of danios and the one minnow. It is a well balanced tank- loaches on the bottom, gourami and the other fish on top.
I am a "heavy stocker" by all your reasoning- I have 24 small fish in a 20 gallon right now. I never have problems with the tank being dirty, or having bad parameters, and everyone has plenty of wiggle room and gets along great.

[DragonFyre14]

Okay. I apologize for jumping on you about being overstocked. As much as some people (sometimes including me) fixate on 'overstocked' tanks, the thing is as long as the fish have swimming room, and enough water changes are being done everything should be fine (I don't have experience with a planted tank but from what i've heard it should help a lot as far as nitrites and nitrates go.)

[Relic]

Originally Posted by ChoclateBetta

Maybe with massive water changes I admit I have trouble letting go I do weekly 25-50 percent water changes in the twenty gallon it might be okay if the school has enough room to swim how long by how wide is the tank.

You really don't even need MASSIVE water changes. Typical, weekly water changes will do{ I highly recommend at least 50% regardless of stock level} It is also a good practice to test your water parameters frequently with a good test kit or at the very least some API 5 in 1 strips, and do water changes when need be...usually you can get away with one change per week but I find I need to do smaller changes throughout the week every now and again.