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Old 11-04-2012, 12:57 AM   #1 
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Betta fish supply and demand

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ive been thinking the past few days about the supply and demand of betta fish. there seems to be many breeders and also stores like petco seem to have alot of fish in their stores any time i go in.. it seems to me there is too many betta fish and not enough people to take them all, would i be right or wrong in this thinking??

if myself or someone just decides to breed them in our home and after a few years of gettin mayb 10 - 40 fish each year to maturity ,we are ending up with 100 + good fish each year what will be done with them?petco,petsmart and such wont buy them,the aquabid and the forums here are full of people allready sellin bettas,the small fish store at the end of the street may only sell 2 -5 bettas a week and may allready have a reliable supplier..

so then i come to thinking about culling fish,if i have gotten rid of maybe 10 fish to stores or people and i still have 90 fish in jars in my house and 6 months have gone by since they hatched,what am i meant to be doing with the rest of these fish?its no fun being overrun in fish you dont want,you want to breed again and try get nicer fish and better bloodlines or whatever the reason these people breed their fish for,to reach their end goal,but they have all these unwanted fish taking up space and eating loads of food and taking up so much time

what is to be done in this situation? you keep your best 4 or 5 fish out of the original 100, you cull the rest,then you breed more and do the same thing all over again?this is madness..

what are people doing with all these fish?how do you even cull 50 betta fsh you dont want,how can you give them away when nobody wants them?do you throw20 - 30 of them into your community tank when they are 2 - 3 months oldand hope something eats them? im really interestedin what people are doing,id like to hear peoples opinions on this please
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Old 11-04-2012, 01:04 AM   #2 
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With pet stores they always carry so many betta because they are considered 'throw away' pets to most people. They get a betta, don't take care of it, it dies three months later and so they get a new one thus the petstores are always full of betta to sell. Sadly petstores also encourage improper care of fish because it means more money for them when the fish dies and you have to replace it.
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Old 11-04-2012, 01:31 AM   #3 
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Overbreeding is a problem that faces almost every single domestic animal commonly kept as a pet.

I personally feel there are only so many good homes that are out there and these seem dwarfed by the amount of fish churned out by farms, hobbyists, breeders etc. every year.

This is why I don't breed splendens myself. The only fish I do breed require enough specialist care that I generally know they are not going to fall into the wrong hands if I sell them.

I don't think many breeders really care at the end of the day where their fish end up. Certainly they probably keep the best sibling pair to breed from or show, or sell them onto fellow hobbyists, but I always wince when I hear someone offloading a whole lot of fish onto their LFS to sell. I doubt half of those (even in the better end stores and even if they are quality fish) are going to be going into appropriate homes.

I know someone who after having difficulties selling previous spawns, has decided to select the most promising fry and jar them. Then once they have grown out and the end result is there, cull whatever fish are left that don't meet the grade. This way he only has a few 'best of the best' pairs.

While some people don't agree with this method, I sometimes think this is better than having a whole bunch of undesirables kicking around.

Culling is a very important part of breeding, and used to be quite a common practice in horse and dog breeding until it became so frowned upon.

I am not a serious breeder (I currently only have two species growing out totaling about 50 fish) and usually any fry I raise I keep or sell to friends or fellow hobbyists who I talk to online so I am aware of their standard of care.

However, this is just my opinion on things.
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Old 11-04-2012, 01:50 AM   #4 
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^ I actually agree with a lot of this. I am alright with the idea of culling numbers into a small manageable group so at the end of the day if you had to your could comfortably sell or keep your remaining fry. We do the same thing with mice, if the litter is 15 babies we cull to 3-5 mice. Keep the best in the litter with your desired traits and do away with the others so those top selected pups have the best possible care and can grow to be healthy.
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Old 11-04-2012, 10:37 AM   #5 
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what is the best and most humane way to cull the fish you dont want?

id just like to point out that im not culling any fish,i just got my first betta last week,so its not like i have loads of fry here and im trying to cull them,im just curious about this whole breeding thing
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Old 11-05-2012, 02:46 PM   #6 
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Not sure how to cull fish but I know how to cull baby mice.

I think with fish it's easiest and quickest (like with mice) to smash the head with a hammer. That way they don't feel anything and it's quick. Does the job the best in putting a smaller animal down.

Now putting them down in bulk I think with less time consuming I have heard of people feeding them to cats? Some people have done that in the mouse world as well but i don't agree with it. It's nature i know but it's also cruel.
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Old 11-05-2012, 03:00 PM   #7 
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They feed the culls to Oscars those big fish..sad either way..to breed, and only keep the best, and just feed off the ones unwanted to another fish..I look at them as pets, I would never want to breed, there is soo many right now, that are wasting away in pet stores because there is just too many out there, and still more in the making..
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Old 11-05-2012, 04:26 PM   #8 
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yes i agree there is too many out there and i always see some floaters when i go into fish shops but it would be nice to breed even just 1 time and get a couple nice males or 7 - 8 females for a sorrority then u can always say u made thefish yourself,you had them from day one and u know exactly where they came from and such.. i did breed geckos for a couple years and i was always fondest of the geckos i had hatched myself from an egg more so than the original couple i had bought from a pet store,i ended up selling my original two and keeping some of the offspring i bred,i loved them little guys :)
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Old 11-05-2012, 06:53 PM   #9 
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I would breed fish but I'd rather rescue them. Besides i intend to breed mice soon and that will take up too much time, I won't have time to tend to fish fry between baby mice and my rescue fish.
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