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Old 11-12-2012, 07:38 PM   #1 
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Unhappy Declining

Hey everybody...

So we have a half moon, bob...he was in a five gallon tank for months...at least 6 or 7 months just fine...the. All of a sudden, he started fin biting like crazy about 2 or 3 months ago...his fins were incredibly, beautifully long...but he bit them down almost halfway.

So I switched him and johnny dazzle, my hmdtpk...so Johnny dazzle is now in the 5.5 and bob is in the 2 gallon planted bowl (pretty much an NPT I think)... Anyway, he seemed a lot calmer...it's really hard to feed him, and he just kind of bobs and floats in the water....he really can't swim...but I just looked at him tonight, he is so much worse! His fins are almost down to his body! And he just floats sideways at the top of the water! I am at such a loss for what to do!

Please help!
Meg

Edit: this is what he used to look like


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Old 11-12-2012, 07:43 PM   #2 
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Try and answer as many of these as possible. Just select, copy, paste, and fill in. :)

Housing
What size is your tank?
What temperature is your tank?
Does your tank have a filter?
Does your tank have an air stone or other type of aeration?
Is your tank heated?
What tank mates does your betta fish live with?

Food
What type of food do you feed your betta fish?
How often do you feed your betta fish?

Maintenance
How often do you perform a water change?
What percentage of the water do you change when you perform a water change?
What type of additives do you add to the water when you perform a water change?

Water Parameters:
Have you tested your water? If so, what are the following parameters?

Ammonia:
Nitrite:
Nitrate:
pH:
Hardness:
Alkalinity:

Symptoms and Treatment
How has your betta fish's appearance changed?
How has your betta fish's behavior changed?
When did you start noticing the symptoms?
Have you started treating your fish? If so, how?
Does your fish have any history of being ill?
How old is your fish (approximately)?

This will help us help you :)

From what info has been given, I would frequently change the water and acquire some AQ salt and dissolve it into his new water during changes.
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Old 11-12-2012, 08:02 PM   #3 
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Sorry, I forgot!

Housing:
About 1.75 gallons
Runs at about 78 degrees
No filter
No air stone
Yes, it's heated
He lives alone

Food:
Aqueon natural betta pellets (I have tried feeding him brine shrimp/bloodworms, but to no avail)...
Twice a day as many as he will eat...and I'm lucky if it's any at all...he never eats more than one or two, and more often than not, he doesn't eat anything.

Maintenance:
Usually changed once a week, but lately, with this setup, the plants have been taking care of it nicely
Usually 50-100
Dechlorinator (water conditioner)

Water parameters:
I will try to test it in a bit...but like I said, the plants have been sucking out any ammonia bob might be producing...which isn't much since he barely eats..

Symptoms:
Fin biting...and no improvement and regrowth...he also just floats (usually sideways) at the top of the water and has a really hard time swimming..
Noticed things a few months ago
I haven't treated him....just warm, clean water
No history of being I'll, but he is a double tail HM, so his body is really short...
I don't know how old...think we have had him about a year, maybe more...not quite sure


I will try the aquarium salt, thank you!
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Old 11-12-2012, 08:22 PM   #4 
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I would be curious to know exactly which dechlorinator you are using. Some neutralize heavy metals, nitrates, nitrites, etc, some help with the slime coat...
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Old 11-12-2012, 08:34 PM   #5 
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It sounds more like fin rot than tail biting. Do you have a pic? If it's almost reached his body I would start with meds asap.
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Old 11-12-2012, 08:52 PM   #6 
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I don't have a pic, but I will try to get one tomorrow...

It's not fin rot, I don't think...I have been keeping a close eye...doesn't look like its rotting away, just looks shredded...I don't see any gray or white infected looking anything like you usually do with fin rot...but who knows, it could be..

Water conditioner is the API tap water conditioner
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Old 11-12-2012, 09:55 PM   #7 
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Hmmm. That dechlorinator does not mention neutralizing ammonia, nitrates, or nitrites. I wonder if something in the chemical balance is upsetting him?

There are other conditioners that also help with the slime coat.

Seems like Sakura might be a good person to ask.
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Old 11-12-2012, 10:08 PM   #8 
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If it's not filtered then he doesn't have to worry about nitrites or nitrates - just ammonia.
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Old 11-12-2012, 10:20 PM   #9 
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Fin rots tell tale mark is the dark rim around the edge its not noticeable usually on dark fish... its not usually white ... do you have any pics of him now?
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Old 11-13-2012, 06:58 AM   #10 
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These are the best pictures I could get, I'm sorry!

Now looking under the bright camera light, maybe it is rot after all...at first it was DEFINITELY fin biting...but maybe he just bit them so much and they got rot...

Before I post the pictures I noticed something not good this morning when I went to go take the pictures...the tank was 72 degrees! I don't think the heater is working very well...and honestly, I can't afford another one right at the moment. What do I do? My ten gallon runs at about 80-82...I have a large breeder net...should I put him in the net to float in the ten gallon maybe?

Here are the pics...(again, sorry they're so bad).


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