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Old 01-02-2013, 11:36 PM   #1 
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Question Fish sick after another passed

So i just lost Squirt after he developed dropsy.

And I think Jingles might have what he had. I'm hoping I am catching it early, but I think he has internal parasites which led to the dropsy in Squirt.

Housing
What size is your tank? 10 gallon
What temperature is your tank? mid 70's to mid 80's
Does your tank have a filter? yes
Does your tank have an air stone or other type of aeration? no
Is your tank heated? yes
What tank mates does your betta fish live with? 2 bettas and a oto

Food
What type of food do you feed your betta fish? Hikari mini pellets
How often do you feed your betta fish? Every other day

Maintenance
How often do you perform a water change? Once a week
What percentage of the water do you change when you perform a water change? 75%
What type of additives do you add to the water when you perform a water change?Water conditioner

Water Parameters:
Have you tested your water? If so, what are the following parameters?

Ammonia: 0
Nitrite:
Nitrate:
pH:
Hardness:
Alkalinity:

Symptoms and Treatment
How has your betta fish's appearance changed? Has become very clamped with some dulling of the colors as well as ripped fins. He also had very pale poop.
How has your betta fish's behavior changed? He's become very lethargic and stays at the bottom. He is still very responsive to me.
When did you start noticing the symptoms? Today.
Have you started treating your fish? If so, how? not yet. He will be QT'd tomorrow.
Does your fish have any history of being ill? no
How old is your fish (approximately)? No idea


The deal: Squirt exhibited similar symptoms for a week before he was QTed and then euthanized. So I''m afraid Jingles has it :'(

Jingles before:


Jingles now:
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Old 01-02-2013, 11:45 PM   #2 
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Would you, please help me? I'm new at this site. Where is the link that allows me to post an advice request? Thanks.
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advice request? What do you mean?
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Old 01-02-2013, 11:57 PM   #4 
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What temperature is your tank? mid 70's to mid 80's
Why is your water temperature jumping around like this? These swings are extremely hard on fish.. You need to stabilize this between 78-80. It sounds like you might need a new heater. What are you using now?

Your fish should be fed daily with one fast day a week - best if you split feedings up into two smaller meals. I also suggest getting another pellet. You want want the first two or three ingredients to be whole fish. Not fish meal and most certainly not wheat. Omega One Betta Buffet and New Life Spectrum Betta fulfill this. I would feed 3-4 Omega Ones split up to twice a day feedings or 5-8 NLS split up to 2 or 3 times a day feedings.

Sounds and looks more like bacteria infection than parasites.. Let's just assume it's headed to Squirt's way and head it off before it gets there with an aggressive treatment plan.

Move him to a QT tank you can keep heated of no less than 1 gallon. You can even buy an acrylic 2 gallon bowl, fill it half full of water and float it in the larger tank to keep him warm. Get some Epsom salts - pure 100% magnesium sulfate per the ingredients label. No dyes or additives of any kind. Dissolve 1 tsp per gallon in a little tank water. Slowly pour this into his tank over an hour - ph will decrease so go slow. ES is like AQ - it doesn' t evaporate and only leaves with water changes. Also look for some good internal antibiotics like Kanaplex by Seachem or Maracyn Plus. Also Furan 2 can be used alongside Kanaplex for a more broad spectrum stronger approach, but you could also try Kanaplex alone - that's your call. He will need 100% water change every other day along with the redosing of meds and epsom salts for 2 weeks, though he should be looking a lot better in under 1 week.

You can do large water changes without shocking using acclimation methods talked about here:

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To do a water change, use a little cup like a plastic solo cup - this cup must be only for him and have never been used with soap or other chems. Scoop him up in this cup (keep him in the cup about 1/4 full of water - it doesn't need to be much because he won't be in it for long) and leave him in the cup while you change his water. To do the 50% use a turkey baster - dedicated only to him that has never seen soap or chems - and drag it through the gravel and try to suck as much of the poop out as possible, in addition to 50% of the water. Use a thermometer under the running tap to get it to be the same temp as the water that is normally in his tank. When the thermometer says the flowing tap is the right temp, fill back up his tank. At this point, add the conditioner (dose for how much water you change - if you change half the water you add half gallon worth of conditioner, If you do a 100% water change dose for the full gallon change). Float his plastic cup with him in it in the new water. Slowly add a couple tablespoons of the new water into his cup every 10 minutes for at least an hour. Finally, dump him in gently but try to get as little of the old cup water back into the tank as possible. When you do the weekly 100% you will do mostly the same thing except empty his tank fully and rinse everything in it very well under warm water but never use soaps or chemicals. Once it's fully cleaned/rinsed you can refill it and repeat the cup/acclimate phase.
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Thank you Callistra.

I also do have Omega and Tetra pellets for him.

And as for the temp. it's because the temperature in the house drops down to 65 which causes the tank to drop even with the heater on.
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Yw .. hope he feels better soon.

I'd stick to the omega. those are good.

Doesn't really explain why it jumps to 85..tho that's then too hot. Should top out no higher than 80. Also a 50w heater in a 10 gallon can only keep temp 10 degrees above room temp. A 100w could heat it up 15 degrees. Those huge temp swings can kill your fish and may be part of why he's sick. Don't let the house drop to 65 anymore or find some other way to stabilize temps. They can't keep jumping around 10 degrees that and keep healthy fish.
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