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Old 01-05-2013, 10:08 PM   #1 
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My Betta is growing and needs bigger home

Hello, I am not sure if this is the correct section to ask this question, please feel free to move this wherever it would be appropriate.

I have bought a brand new born Betta 5 months ago, and he has been an amazing pet, very lively, can do tricks and is highly active. He has gone from being a transparent tiny thing to almost a full grown fish now! The tank I am keeping him in is this (http://www.bigalspets.ca/fish/aquari...kit-3-4-l.html), it's only 3.4L.
Recently except when I am playing with him, he is usually inactive. So I want to move him to a bigger tank (no bigger than 4 gal, 5 gal tops), and add a ghost shrimp and maybe one other fish. Also by reading posts here I realized that I mistreated my Betta because I kept on changing all the water completely every 2 weeks and cleaning the fish tank with soap throughoutly, I have absolutely no heater or filter. I feel terrible that I have done this to my precious friend.

So the questions I have are the following,
Which filter should I use?
Which heater should I use?
Which chemicals should I use to make water comfortable?
Which plants and how many should I have(I really want at least two plants)?
What other fish (just one) would you recommend that I put in with my Betta (ghost shrimp excluded)?
Which fish tank would you suggest (4 or 5 gal but no more)? I trained my Betta to completely jump out of water, so he tends to do that when I come home from work, so I guess lid would have to be closed.
I know that this is a lot of questions all at once, but I want to start treating my friend properly and make sure that he lives a very happy and healthy life.

Also few last questions are: once I have 4 gal tank, then I should not change all the water? How would I get rid of wastes that my Betta would produce? And how would I clean the fish tank without removing all the water?

I feel terrible as it is for mistreating him in a tiny fish tank for 5 months and am going to spring into action right away. I have read some of the posts and understood basics of cycling and so forth, but I am still not good at understanding what equipment or plants would be good.
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Old 01-05-2013, 10:32 PM   #2 
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I was like you once, putting my little friend in a 1 gallon tank for the first month of owning him. But once I really educated myself on betta care, I really stepped it up and tried to provide the best I could for Alpha. Its quite alright to be new to fish-keeping, and I'll try to give you the best suggestions I can! :D

First off, you should know that filters are not always the best thing for a betta. Depending on the strength of the filter and the tank size, it might cause the poor betta to have trouble swimming because of the current caused. You should do some research into a good, low-power filter that could be right for a betta before you buy one. I personally don't use a filter in my tank, and my fish seems okay with it.
As for heaters, you would want something that could be either adjustable or has automatic shutdown at 78 degrees. 78 is usually what you want to keep your little friend in. :)
Tank size, I would say you could easily do a 4 gallon for him, just make sure to try to acclimate your fish to it. Some fish can get very stressed and shocked to be in a much larger environment then they are used to, so its important to acclimate and keep a watch on your fish's behavior and condition. If you're on a budget, you could always house your fish in a cheap 3 gallon tank from Walmart, or they have a very generous 10 gallon for $35 (in Canada, not sure about the states) if you feel like REALLY giving him a very large home!
For conditioners, you have a lot of options, but I'd say Betta+ Water Conditioner or even Nutrafin+ are good conditioners you can use, and they are relatively cheap.
If you're new to fish-keeping, I'd suggest going with silk plants. They don't damage the fish, and its always better to do your research before getting live plants so you know how to properly care for them and keep a healthy aquarium.

I've never had tank mates with my betta so I'm not much use there, sorry.

Btw, with any tank under 10 gallons, its always recommended to do a full 100% water change weekly, with a smaller water change in-between if the tank is around or under 2 gallons.

Hope my suggestions help you!
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Old 01-05-2013, 10:36 PM   #3 
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You dont technically need a filter, since I dont know what tank you will be using I cant really recommend one other than either a sponge or adjustable filter.
Highly recommended heaters are the eheim jager or hydor theo. As long as you get a 25watt adjustable one though you will be fine.
You really only need water conditioner, seachem prime seems to be preferred. You could also get stress coat to add.
Depending on the lighting, which I assume will be low light -- Anubias, java fern, java moss, bacopa, money wort, horn wort, amazon sword, there are a ton of plants that will work.
I dont recommend anything in such a small tank. you might be able to do an ADF and a betta, or a betta and some shrimp, or a betta and snail, but thats it. 5 gallons and smaller are just too small!
I like Aqueon Mini Bow's, come in 1, 2.5, and 5 gallons. 5 gallons being what I recommend. The filter and hood cover any possible holes. (if you do go that route you will want to buy extra filter floss to shove into the filter intake if you plan to use it)
If its heavily planted a 25% change will be sufficient, but if theres only a couple plants 50% change 1x/week is good. You should also invest in a gravel vacuum so that you can be sure to get all the waste out of the gravel. Or you can get a turkey baster and get what you can find, but that way isnt nearly as efficient.
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Old 01-05-2013, 10:45 PM   #4 
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The only thing I would add to Demysta's post is IF you do decide to cycle your tank (i.e., have the better bacteria there) you should do only partial water changes, regardless of size. Though, if you have a tank that is 2.5gal or smaller, you will have a tougher time in keping the cycle, as the smaller amount of water may lead to drastic changes. If you would like to go the cycle route (which I highly recommend), have a read at OFL's post explaining the process in an easy to understand way: http://www.bettafish.com/showthread.php?t=107771

In any regards, go with the biggest sized tank you can afford/have room for, as this will go a long way to a happy betta!
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Old 01-05-2013, 11:10 PM   #5 
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Now I only need to figure out what gravel cleaner is and how to use one, and also whether or not I should clean the fish tank 100%% weekly or not if I intend to cycle it.

For everything else thanks a lot for everything guys, so I have decided on the following:

Aquarium: 5 gal http://www.bigalspets.ca/fish/aquari...ack-5-gal.html
Heater: 25 watt http://www.bigalspets.ca/fish/temper...stem-25-w.html
Filter: even though you said not needed, I will use http://www.bigalspets.ca/fish/filter...lter-at10.html
Plants: I will use java fern and java moss mixture, will be somewhat heavily populated.
I will also get a ghost shrimp to be the cleaner.

But really I can't figure out what to do with the cleaning. I read a few posts and none of them are specific enough as to how often I should do it, too many contradictions. Also I am in Canada, so it is easier? for me to buy fish things?
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Old 01-05-2013, 11:35 PM   #6 
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Now I only need to figure out what gravel cleaner is and how to use one, and also whether or not I should clean the fish tank 100%% weekly or not if I intend to cycle it.

For everything else thanks a lot for everything guys, so I have decided on the following:

Aquarium: 5 gal http://www.bigalspets.ca/fish/aquari...ack-5-gal.html
Heater: 25 watt http://www.bigalspets.ca/fish/temper...stem-25-w.html
Filter: even though you said not needed, I will use http://www.bigalspets.ca/fish/filter...lter-at10.html
Plants: I will use java fern and java moss mixture, will be somewhat heavily populated.
I will also get a ghost shrimp to be the cleaner.

But really I can't figure out what to do with the cleaning. I read a few posts and none of them are specific enough as to how often I should do it, too many contradictions. Also I am in Canada, so it is easier? for me to buy fish things?
everything sounds good!!
heres the gravel vac I use. Love it. http://www.petsmart.com/product/inde...AvailInUS%2FNo

heres a link about water changes!
http://www.petsmart.com/product/inde...AvailInUS%2FNo
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Old 01-06-2013, 07:01 AM   #7 
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Which filter should I use? if you want a filter http://www.walmart.com/ip/Regent-For...-1-ct/10313136 is a decent one for the money. You can adjust the intake tube so there is pretty much no flow (Im currently using this one)




Which heater should I use? All depends how much you want to spend. (im currently using http://www.walmart.com/ip/Tetra-Heater-1-ct/10291808 it works pretty good)




Which chemicals should I use to make water comfortable? You could possibly try this http://www.walmart.com/ip/Api-Aquari...fl-oz/10451536 (I am having luck with it)




Which plants and how many should I have(I really want at least two plants)?Are you talking live or fake? Fake are cheaper to maintain overall. I use silk they won't harm your betta.



What other fish (just one) would you recommend that I put in with my Betta (ghost shrimp excluded)? IF anything I would say a snail, you could possibly stress him out if he is doing well. Plus, the betta could gang up on just one fish. ( I had a snail in my tank and my betta was fine. I added 5 neons and he got stressed I could tell by the way he was acting.)




Which fish tank would you suggest (4 or 5 gal but no more)? I would say if you can swing it. 5 gallon. Try walmart they have decent 5 gallon kits for under $30 with everything but a heater. Look at walmart online also they carry some they don't in stores. Petsmart is running a sale at the moment also. In my opinion (go the biggest you think you will want in the end or you will end up with empty tanks. I have one 10 gallon, and two 5 gallons sitting empty lol.)


"I trained my Betta to completely jump out of water, so he tends to do that when I come home from work, so I guess lid would have to be closed.
I know that this is a lot of questions all at once, but I want to start treating my friend properly and make sure that he lives a very happy and healthy life." Completely understandable!

Also few last questions are: once I have 4 gal tank, then I should not change all the water? In my 5 gallon I had to change half 2 times a week. (in my opinion the smaller the tank the more upkeeping.)



How would I get rid of wastes that my Betta would produce? You can buy a gravel vaccuum. A snail and shrimp would help also a tiny bit.(I have http://www.petsmart.com/product/inde...AvailInUS%2FNo the small one, it works great!)


And how would I clean the fish tank without removing all the water? What I do is, a water change then I buy some cheap sponges and clean the sides of the tank. Then use the gravel vac and siphon out the junk.

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Old 01-06-2013, 07:11 AM   #8 
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Mini bows are good tanks, but you are paying A LOT more than you have to for a decent tank! There is this tank, from Petco, which is awesome for Bettas, and you can replace the light for one that will grow plants. It also comes with a filter! As for a heater, I'm not sure about the system you picked, a lot of heaters aren't very reliable. I use the Hydor Theo heater which I love.

Bonus, at 6.6 gallons, it will be a bit easier to cycle a tank, and that extra gallon of space (which is actually a lot more swimming space because of the shape of the tank) will allow you a tankmate if you would like one. I know Otos are a popular choice! Also, be careful with shrimp, some bettas will eat them. Luckily ghosties aren't expensive.
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Old 01-06-2013, 02:04 PM   #9 
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Now I only need to figure out what gravel cleaner is and how to use one, and also whether or not I should clean the fish tank 100%% weekly or not if I intend to cycle it.

For everything else thanks a lot for everything guys, so I have decided on the following:

Aquarium: 5 gal http://www.bigalspets.ca/fish/aquari...ack-5-gal.html
Heater: 25 watt http://www.bigalspets.ca/fish/temper...stem-25-w.html
Filter: even though you said not needed, I will use http://www.bigalspets.ca/fish/filter...lter-at10.html
Plants: I will use java fern and java moss mixture, will be somewhat heavily populated.
I will also get a ghost shrimp to be the cleaner.

But really I can't figure out what to do with the cleaning. I read a few posts and none of them are specific enough as to how often I should do it, too many contradictions. Also I am in Canada, so it is easier? for me to buy fish things?


May I suggest Petsmart, actually has that tank on sale. I don't know how much shipping would be though. Unless you aren't worried about money :)http://www.petsmart.com/product/inde...AvailInUS%2FNo
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Old 01-06-2013, 07:19 PM   #10 
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Well unfortunately all the stores nearby me were out of stock after boxing week, so I had to get http://www.petsmart.com/product/inde...ductId=4232279
It's 5 gallon, and it is nice, but has no lid but still seems good. And unfortunately couldn't get my hands on a nice filter, the one I got is so horribly loud that I would rather not turn it on. I also got a heater and moss ball and java fern.
I did also get a ghost shrimp, so right now the situation is that for about twenty minutes my Betta and the shrimp will play and insanely entertaining game of tag, and then my Betta will take a ten minute breather beside the heater, then rinse and repeat (I kind feel left out to be honest). I think I can shove in there one more fish, but will have to decide which one, my Betta is actually very playful and timid, so it should be fine.
Thanks a lot to all of you for suggestions, I shall be buying a better heater and filter in the future according to your suggestions, once the stores restock.
Also if anyone would have any guide on how to care for java fern and what to feed ghost shrimp it would be appreciated (I didn't see the shrimp eat anything the whole day even after all the chases).
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