Well I have had Opal since he was a baby, and I have had him for a few months. I got Phyre and Ruby, a few days ago, not planning on breeding. But I was thinking it after I got them. I didn't even know that Ruby was a girl. Opal was a babyish betta labeled as "female veiltail" so I was a little skeptical that ruby was a girl. But people here have said she is a she.
And anyways, I just thought I would ask questions to experienced betta keepers/breeders.
Its not like I went into a store and bought random 2. I just got them because I like bettas.
If I did breed I would probably cull A LOT and keep the ones I didn't cull.. Sounds crazy, but that is what I would do. I would never be a successful(sp?) breeder of anything because I would want to keep them all :P
Honestly, if you plan to keep them then it is your decision to breed. While there are a lot of VTs, you very much could work on a nice line in VTs if you put in the time and effort. I hope you have a plan for all of the fry, though. If you're culling heavily you can use them as fertilizer or feed something else with them. (As an example, I will be giving all of the fry I plan to cull to a classmate who owns many reptiles who would LOVE fish to eat and the rest will be used as plant fertilizer). The reason most breeders are against VTs is mainly because 1.) Most chain pet stores over-sell these and mark them for other tail types for the extra buck, and 2.) IBC does not have a class for them. These two reasons make it hard to sell VTs, which is why everyone is telling you no on this. However, if you really want to cull heavily and keep them, then go for it. They are your fish and as long as you do all of the research ahead of time, then you should be fine.
Is it really worth hundreds+ dollars, hours a day of work to just keep a couple babies? You will want to grow them large enough to see what you are keeping.. can you also kill off a hundred+ young bettas?
Better to just go and buy a couple $3 fish than kill hundreds because you want a couple. It's A LOT of time and money to breed these fish successfully...
While I agree that heavy culling like that is not good at all, I have a hard time telling people that they can't do something if it is easily attainable. I guess I just need to grow a back bone for the good of fish...or whatever.
I don't think non breeders understand the whole process.. it's a lot of work, patience, time, money, etc for one successful spawn. To consider breeding just for a couple fish means this person has no idea what it involves. These aren't guppies that breed all the time and have babies every time you turn around.
It's not worth the lives of a few hundred fish, and a few hundred dollars for a couple fish that are very common/cheap. Save a life or two and buy at the store, not kill a couple hundred, imo.. BUT if you are serious about wanting to breed, have the money/time/space needed, etc.. then that is a different story. But just to make a couple babies.. not worth it.
I never said I would actually breed! I kept saying If I breed, but I probably wont.
I do realize it takes hours/weeks, and a lot of money to breed the couple and then raise all the fry. That is why I said IF. Because I am not sure I even want to.
I understand you said IF, I was just saying it in case you decided to breed for just a few. Breeding can be a lot of fun, and I will encourage and help if you ever want to :) I have seen others say they want to breed just for a couple fish and in a way, that's fine.. some spawns I may keep one or two from, others I won't keep any. But selling them is the plan.. some spawns only 10 may survive culling, some more, etc.
There are no rules when it comes to breeding - just what the fish requires is the only thing one must follow when breeding. Breeding VTs isn't a bad thing - yes they are harder to find homes for (except the new ones coming out with dragonscales, etc).. but if you love them and don't mind keeping hundreds until you find a place to rehome them then that is your choice. If it were easier to find homes for VTs, I would be breeding them in a heartbeat as I love them. So it's understandable wanting to breed fish you love.. I wish I could breed my old VT pair - but blue VTs are too common and I don't want to end up killing so many babies just because I want to create them.
So, if this is something you wish to do, we will be glad to help - even if you are wanting to breed VTs. Can PM some breeders here, or I can point you to other places for advice, etc. Sometimes we feel so strong for these fish (because a lot of them don't get the care they deserve) that imagining someone killing so many babies for no reason other then they are not wanted is hard to imagine. We don't mean to be rude, and I apologize for that - but some of us who do breed see the babies, and raise them from tiny tiny dots, we already know how hard it is to cull, so we can't imagine killing for the sake of not wanting to care for them all.
I mean.. look at this little one :) It's 7 days old here in this picture.. I have at least a couple hundred in this spawn and just thinking of culling any kills me :(