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Old 05-22-2013, 01:29 PM   #1 
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Death by flaring?

I lost a VT a few weeks ago, and have been wondering almost daily what the cause was. I will try to explain:

I had 2 - 1gal canister jars sitting on a shelf at my desk at work. They are about eye level, and I truly enjoy watching the boys during the day. They are, of course, alone over the weekends. One VT and one HM, both doing quite well. I kept the jars separated by about 6".

I bought a new VT and a CT, and added two more 1gal jars. They were close together, by a few inches. The two VTs flared like crazy at each other, but when I moved them around, the VTs didn't flare at the CT or the HM. Those two guys, Jessie and Ragnar, just dance around and want to eat. The two VTs, Steve and Flokie, were more interested in flaring at each other. Now I have very distinct personalities here with these four boys.

On Friday I changed out 100% water, treated and fed. Without thinking, I left the two VTs next to each other, the jars practically touching.

Monday morning, both the VTs are in distress. Jessie and Ragnar are their usual hungry selves, but Steve and Flokie...well, Flokie's gills were pumping very hard, his color was ashy, and definitely swollen under the gills. He just hung in the water looking awful. Steve sat on the bottom, gills pumping hard, also swollen, not eating. I immediately separated all the jars and changed the water for both VTs. I'm pretty good at water changes, and the temp rarely is off by more than one or two degrees. Tap water conditioner every time, the same every time.

Flokie died shortly after. Steve took most of the day to return to normal. He ate a few pellets before I left. Next day he was fine, as was the other two.

My question is (after all that, sorry) is can male bettas flare so hard for so long that they can stress out and die?
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Old 05-22-2013, 01:36 PM   #2 
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Technically yes, but I have never heard of it actually happening until now. Are there tops on the containers?
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Old 05-22-2013, 02:15 PM   #3 
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Yes, all the jars have lids, and I use spacers of about 1/4" to allow air flow.

Steve is over a year old, and Flokie was young, about half his size, so I'm guessing that's why Steve survived and Flokie didn't. Just too young, not strong enough.

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Old 05-22-2013, 02:51 PM   #4 
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Here's a picture of the tanks, taken today.
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Old 05-22-2013, 03:02 PM   #5 
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If the Betta was too stressed for too long it can cause death. Out of curiosity how does fresh air get into the jars? Obviously they're able to get air or they wouldn't survive but I can't tell by the pic how oxygen gets in.
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Old 05-22-2013, 03:17 PM   #6 
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I cut a rubber mouse pad into pieces, doubled it up and made spacers on either side of the jars, allowing 1/4" space all around the lid.
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I cut a rubber mouse pad into pieces, doubled it up and made spacers on either side of the jars, allowing 1/4" space all around the lid.
I like it. The jars look neat although I would give each one something to hide in such as at least one plant & a cave.
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Old 05-22-2013, 03:33 PM   #8 
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I agree, I may check out the moss balls and some ideas for hidey places for them. Otherwise the tanks are easy to clean and change water, and have been a healthy way to keep them. I have to have fish at work...
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Old 05-22-2013, 03:49 PM   #9 
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I have one on my desk in a 2.5g tank & I enjoy having him there. I've been debating about upgrading him to a 5g I have sitting empty at home.
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What's the temperature like? If it is too cold, Flokie's immune system may have been compromised.
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