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Old 06-19-2013, 11:19 AM   #1 
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Exclamation Crazy Discoloration. She's almost dead! *PICS INCLUDED*

Velvet seemed like the closest one, so I have tried Api general cure. If anything she has gotten completely worse not better. Her treatment is almost over and it hasn't seem to done anything. She went from barely eating two pellets a day, to one, to now at this exact moment, none. She has loss of coloring in the middle in a streak down her body (and now all along her bottom side too. Her fins have also seemed to be affected and look like they have small slight rust coloring.

She will lay the bottom half of her body flat on the gravel, and keep her front propped up. She will stay near the bottom and hardly come up for food. Her mouth is propped open a lot too. I started noticing symptoms FOUR MONTHS ago. (but I didn't realize how bad it was until recently. I thought she was just stressed or bored). I'm surprised it hasn't killed her yet. I'm thinking something internal like bacterial which is why I ordered Pimafix and Melafix now. They may not get here in time. She looks like she is on her last fins :(

I feel like it's my fault somehow, and I feel bad :( The only other thing I thought it could be was due to me occasionally petting her in her tank. I it may have affected her slime coat, I don't know.




Housing
What size is your tank?
--- 5 gallon
What temperature is your tank?
--- Not sure, but I do use a 5 gallon heater
Does your tank have a filter?
--- No
Does your tank have an air stone or other type of aeration?
---No
Is your tank heated?
--- yes
What tank mates does your betta fish live with?
--- None

Food
What type of food do you feed your betta fish?
--Top Fin pellets
How often do you feed your betta fish?
--- Twice a day

Maintenance
How often do you perform a water change?
--Once a week
What percentage of the water do you change when you perform a water change?
--- 75%
What type of additives do you add to the water when you perform a water change?
--- Somtimes conditioner depending on water type

Water Parameters:
Have you tested your water? If so, what are the following parameters?

Ammonia:don't know.
Nitrite:0
Nitrate:0
pH:7
Hardness:180 (hard)
Alkalinity: Don't know

Symptoms and Treatment
How has your betta fish's appearance changed?
----She has a brown discoloring on her scales. Her fins seem to show a slight color of a metalish coloring. ;/
How has your betta fish's behavior changed?
---- She is lethargic. She rests her bottom half of her body flat on the gravel, and keeps her front side up. She only moves to eat, and once she eats she darts back down quickly, stays at the bottom.
When did you start noticing the symptoms?
---- 4 months ago..... I'm wondering what on earth it is, as it hasn't killed her yet.
Have you started treating your fish? If so, how?
--- NO. I went to petsmart, and the guy couldn't tell me anything except giving me an aquarium test kit.
Does your fish have any history of being ill?
--- No....but she has been like this for a long while.
How old is your fish (approximately)?
---- 1 1/2 years old.

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As you can see, I tried to throw in a few food flakes, but she wouldn't eat.

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Old 06-19-2013, 11:32 AM   #2 
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With Velvet, you'll need to get a medication specifically for Velvet. You'll also need to make sure her tank is 78 or higher (get a thermometer, for all you know that heater is only keeping the tank at 70, and that is WAY too cold for a Betta and perfect breeding ground for Velvet). Then you will need to keep her in the dark. Velvet is a photosensitive parasite that lives in the water all the time. The heat will speed up the life cycle of the parasite on the fish, causing them to drop off. The dark and will keep them from reproducing, and the medication will definitely help that as well.
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Old 06-19-2013, 11:35 AM   #3 
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With Velvet, you'll need to get a medication specifically for Velvet. You'll also need to make sure her tank is 78 or higher (get a thermometer, for all you know that heater is only keeping the tank at 70, and that is WAY too cold for a Betta and perfect breeding ground for Velvet). Then you will need to keep her in the dark. Velvet is a photosensitive parasite that lives in the water all the time. The heat will speed up the life cycle of the parasite on the fish, causing them to drop off. The dark and will keep them from reproducing, and the medication will definitely help that as well.


Thank you for your response. Didin't I say I have basically already treated in case it was velvet with Api General Cure? (it doesn't mention anything about keeping the tank in the dark on the descritpion, but for the record she doesn't get a lot of sunlight as there is a curtain behind her and I keep the light off in my room a lot.) She's on the few last days of treatment and hasn't even looked a wink better. I had to take her out of the tank though because she can barely even make it up for air. It started getting way worse when I started the treatement. Before I started she would eat two pellets, now she won't eat anything.

I honestly can't see how it would be parastic. She DOESN"T live with anyone else. She has been fine for the first year of her life. I tried it because I didn't know what it could be based on the symptoms I researched. I spent hours looking up different betta diseases. Velvet didn't seem to match but it was the closest thing I determined. Now I feel somewhat stupid that I didn't try something for internal bacterial infections first that might have been the problem. Like I said, I have anti bacterials on the way. I had to try and order quick online because I can't drive yet to the pet store by myself. I have a feeling they won't make it in time.

Honestly, the affected area looks like it almost has dropsy. The rest of her scales look fine...but on the affected area...they look a bit "off." *shudder* it makes me itch and feel gross just thinking about it. Poor dear.

I'm hoping someone could tell me what it could be based on the pics?

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Old 06-19-2013, 01:46 PM   #4 
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Velvet naturally lives in the water all the time, your fish doesn't have to be with another fish to get it. If that's what she has, she didn't get it from someone else. General cures don't always do well with Velvet, you need to get one that says it's specifically for Velvet. Her coloration matches what is normally seen with Velvet, but she could have that as a result of a compromised immune system because something bigger is going on. (Velvet will can become rampant if your fish is already sick with something else.
She also looks like she's either extremely constipated, has become eggbound or has a tumor. The side that is sticking out seems to be making her spine bend as well. If it's a tumor or eggbound, there's not really much you can do about that. If it's constipation, you can use espsom salts to reduce the swelling (that will help with other reasons for bloating as well.) If it's internal parasites (could be from your water source or her food source), then you'll need to get a parasitic medicine to get rid of those.
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Old 06-19-2013, 01:53 PM   #5 
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Velvet naturally lives in the water all the time, your fish doesn't have to be with another fish to get it. If that's what she has, she didn't get it from someone else. General cures don't always do well with Velvet, you need to get one that says it's specifically for Velvet. Her coloration matches what is normally seen with Velvet, but she could have that as a result of a compromised immune system because something bigger is going on. (Velvet will can become rampant if your fish is already sick with something else.
She also looks like she's either extremely constipated, has become eggbound or has a tumor. The side that is sticking out seems to be making her spine bend as well. If it's a tumor or eggbound, there's not really much you can do about that. If it's constipation, you can use espsom salts to reduce the swelling (that will help with other reasons for bloating as well.) If it's internal parasites (could be from your water source or her food source), then you'll need to get a parasitic medicine to get rid of those.
Thank you for your repsonse.. General Cure is an anti parasitic medication which is what I have been using. It says it treats velvet....so I'm not exactly understanding why you are saying it doesn't do so well? It's not "solely" for velvet but it's an anti parastic that says it works against velvet. I'm also not understanding how you are saying velvet is always present. Velvet is a disease caused by parasites. Are you saying there are always parasites feeding on my fish? *shudders* http://www.petsmart.com/product/inde...uctId=10850833

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Old 06-19-2013, 02:07 PM   #6 
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Can you see those gold sparkles on her gills and fins in the first picture? Are those the parasites?
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Old 06-19-2013, 05:41 PM   #7 
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I would PM Sakura8! Your fish does not look good at all.
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Old 06-19-2013, 05:46 PM   #8 
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This isn't velvet... This is worse.

I personally think this is a bacterial infection, but I can't identify it for sure. I would be treating with kanaplex (get some ASAP, usually you must order online), it is a good antibiotic that is also relatively safe. Keep the water temperature at 76 degrees.

Definatly try to get LittleBlueFishlets or Sakura8 on here... They know their stuff.
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Old 06-19-2013, 07:22 PM   #9 
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I have to agree with matt - its not velvet. Velvet is an external parasite and you sould be able to see the gold/pollen like effect of it in the picture and I am not seeing it. Although what it is, I can't say.

It could be a bad internal bacterial infection or bad case of internal parasites or something else.

General cure is for external parasites but there are better medications out there to fight it. Anyways, I really dont think he has velvet anyways.

have you noticed the poop laately? has it been the normal brownish cinnamon bun looking poop or has it been more white and stringy?

I would try and hunt down Saura8 if you can get her to come back to the forums or maybe try callistra. However I havent seen them on here in a few weeks. You can also try Myates. She is pretty good with medical stuff too
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Old 06-19-2013, 08:26 PM   #10 
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Yeah. Thank you guys. I said I had feelings that it wasn't velvet. And like I said, I felt stupid for not trying to treat it with something anti bacterial first.

I'm going to try and use melafix and pimafix as an anti bacterial if she makes it, which I don't think she will (I know some people don't recommend them as they can sometimes complications) but it's what I ordered.

I think the best thing I can do is learn from this experience, have meds on hand and ready next time, as well as plan ahead. *mentally punsishes self*

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