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Old 07-16-2013, 10:44 AM   #21 
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ok ENOUGH WITH THE DEBATES.....

how about this?? http://www.walmart.com/ip/Tetra-Bubb...t-1ct/16940357

was looking into gettin 3 of these???? and adding the heaters..... im going to go back to using tap water with stress coat added.

and probably going to do 2 (50%) water changes a week.

ALSO, i have NO idea what holding a cycle means lol.....

what do you guys think of this??? NO ARGUING!
if you are going to spend that kind of money I would go for the 5 gallon led tanks, or if you have the room the 10 gallon incandesent tanks for about the same price
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Old 07-16-2013, 10:52 AM   #22 
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I would not use a filter like the one you linked in anything under a 5 gallon tank, it will be way too strong and you would have to adjust it down and baffle it to the point water would be barely be moving through it at all and would probably burn the motor out in a pretty short amount of time, if you are bent on using a filter like that go spend 12 dollars at walmart and get a 10 gallon tank and spend another few dollars on some craft mesh and some poster hangers and divide the tank into 3 you can search the fporums here on hwo to make the dividers, it is pretty simple, a 10 gallon tank will be much easier to cycled and keep cycled plus you will only need 1 heater and 1 filter, if you want to keep your current set up of 3 little tanks, you will need 3 heaters that are really small so you do not overheat/cook the fish and I would get 3 small sponge filters and an air pump to power them all and of course tubing and a splitter to connect them all to 1 pump, but in short they are your fish and it is your choice on how you keep them, those 2 suggestions I made are good ones the 10 gallon split tank is the better of the 2 in my opinion....
I agree, only I would suggest a 20 long to divide. 10 is good, no doubt, but I think there's more flexibility with the 20 long if you have the room for it.
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im going 20 guys..... any links u guys can direct me to for dividers?

also would this heater be good? http://www.walmart.com/ip/Tetra-Heat...-Pets/10291809 , i bought 3 oh the 2-5 but im going to return them and just buy one of the 10-30
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Old 07-16-2013, 11:07 AM   #24 
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You'll notice on the product info it says "no adjusting necessary" - you WANT an adjustable heater. I use hydor theo heaters in my quarantine tanks - they work well. I also have an aquatop heater. My show tanks are not heated though - I'm sure someone else can provide more help in that realm.
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Old 07-16-2013, 11:45 AM   #25 
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Not a fan of Tetra heaters. I think Marineland is carried by Petsmart/co. Hydor Theos are available from most online resources (Amazon, Ken's Fish, Big al's, Marine Depot, etc.) On a 20 long, I would do one small filter at each end, or sponge filters.

I think Petsmart is still having their dollar a gallon sale.

One thing you need to keep in mind is the nitrogen cycle. There are stickies about it, that are well worth a read. Here is my short version:

Fish produce ammonia through waste. It is very toxic.
There are some "beneficial bacteria" (BB) that will begin to colonize your tank (filter, walls, decorations, substrate) that turn ammonia into nitrite. This is also toxic, but less so than ammonia. It takes awhile for your BB population to incraese enough to handle the ammonia load of your tank.
There are different BB that turn nitrIte into nitrAte. Way less toxic. You don't see these guys show up until after the BB that turn ammonia into nitrite.
Once you have established populations of these bacteria, you can do a 25-50% water change once per week.
Until you have a big colony of BB going, your fish is hanging out in toxins that can really impact health and longevity.

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get a test kit. Sera and API make ones that are fine. API is way cheaper on amazon. You need tests for pH, ammonia, nitrite and nitrate. The master kit for API contains all of these.

If you have the fish in the aquarium already, you are "fish in" cycling. Not recommended because it can hurt the fish, and it is stressful for you. BUT, we have all gotten caught sometimes with a "surprise betta" that needs a tank NOW. As long as you change the water whenever ammonia gets above .25 ppm, or nitrItes above .25 ppm, or nitrAtes above 20 ppm, and keep changing until it is within acceptable parameters, you can get through it. It takes 4-6 weeks usually. Then you have a stable cycle, happy fish, and once a week (or as neccessary but I don't go under once a week) water changes.

If you choose to keep the fish in their current tanks (easier water changes) you can set the 20 up and let it cycle on its own. You will need to add pure ammonia to maintain the process. Advantage: you can let the levels get higher before changing water, and it may take less time to establish a cycle.

The stickies say it way better, but that is a brief rundown.
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Old 07-16-2013, 12:06 PM   #26 
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Wow.....man thats no joke.

Well..im going to start the hard work of gettin the tank in shape, getting it ready with dividers and all that and then start cycling that thing!

Lol ill keep everyone posted till then. Thanx again, and all the advise helps so KEEP IT COMING PEOPLE!

Lol thank you all again :D

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Old 07-16-2013, 12:22 PM   #27 
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The beginning is the hardest part. Once you get past that it's not difficult at all.
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Old 07-17-2013, 09:42 AM   #28 
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OK PPL just an update: Im going 29 Gal !! this have this sale at petsmart

http://www.petsmart.com/product/inde...AvailInUS%2FNo

and it brings everything to start off. GRANTED I know im going to have to upgrade the heater and filter, im sure they arnt going to be a high end model but its a start.

My goal: - have that tank divided into 3 (with the dividers) have a different community in each one, based on my 3 betas.

- have the aquarium at the point where one 50% or two 25% water changes per week are sufficient

My plan: - to get the set-up going, and to leave the water for as long as it takes to have controlled PH (and/or high PH), ammonium, nitrite, and nitrate levels.

- have one betta perside

- have some tank mates (thats are eligibles for bettas)

What do you guys think??
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Old 07-17-2013, 09:52 AM   #29 
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Petsmart has a one dollar a gallon sale now. I would go with one of those, plus an appropriately sized heater and Aquaclear or Marineland HOB filter. Only thing that could get more costly is a light if you want live plants. If not, a desk lamp or two is sufficient for the fish.

It will be less expense, and you can spend the extra on a test kit and decorations/hardscape/plants.

Tankmates are possible, since you have some room, but very much depends on the individual betta. some just are too aggressive, some don't like certain fish, etc.

Great job on setting up a wonderful environment though. Your plan works fine, I just would do it slightly differently.
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was just looking, those are pretty expensive. Do you have any "lower end" recommendations till i can afford the marineland one?
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